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Old 03-22-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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And we should have taken the whole country.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:51 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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And we should have taken the whole country [Mexico].
It was discussed @ the time. Congress finally decided that it was too many people, different languages, cultures, religions, different legal system, different forms of government, too many Native Peoples. It's too much history to funnel down into a couple of paragraphs.

Fifty years later, we didn't absorb Cuba nor Philippines either - although we ran the Philippines as a territory for a while, & suppressed the Philippines insurrection. We let go of Cuba, but we've kept Puerto Rico - the numbers were much smaller, & apparently it was thought to be much more manageable than Mexico would have been.

A good encyclopedia article would give you the basics.
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:17 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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America will always be called America and your historical revisionism will never change it. It was the first new world American country. It is America. Only an American can be an American.
Yah, that Vespucci must have had one hell of a PR guy.

& the first American country? The tribes' names are probably The People - in the appropriate language. The names that survived to the Spanish &/or Portuguese - the Aztec, Maya, Inca. There were many others - & there still are, in Mexico, Central & South America. The numbers in the US don't look good - although Navajo language/culture seems to be holding on - I think very small language groups in danger of disappearing are taking up Navajo, as that language/culture still has numbers & may grow & prosper.

I'm not sure what's going on in Canada - they seem to have worked out the legal/diplomatic side of an arrangement.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Middle of the Pacific Ocean
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Of course Canadians are American. Everyone born & living in the Americas is, by definition, an American. What happens is that in ordinary conversation in English in the US, America is understood to refer solely to the US. Which usually is clear enough; it's when we're discussing other New World states along with the US, that we get reference problems.

The US used to be a beacon of hope for the New World - Mexico's full name, for instance, is the United States of Mexico. Just as the US was a model for nationalist forces in Islamic countries. From then to now, the attitude has changed considerably.

I think the US is still held up as an economic model, & perhaps for much more equality before the law than in most of the rest of the World, particularly Third World countries. But the full-throated desire to emulate the US in politics & cultural diversity doesn't seem to be there anymore, in the World @ large.
False, given that there is no continent called "America." If you want to go down that route, people born in North America are "North Americans" and people born in South America are "South Americans." Given that the United States of America is the only country on either continent with the word "America" in its name, it is perfectly fine and understood for "American" to be used to solely refer to citizens of the US of A.
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Old 03-23-2019, 04:21 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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False, given that there is no continent called "America." If you want to go down that route, people born in North America are "North Americans" and people born in South America are "South Americans." Given that the United States of America is the only country on either continent with the word "America" in its name, it is perfectly fine and understood for "American" to be used to solely refer to citizens of the US of A.
There was, & still is - depending on your frame of reference, of course. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...ogy_and_naming

"Etymology and naming[edit]
"Main article: Naming of the Americas

"America is named after Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci.[11]

"The name America was first recorded in 1507. Christie's auction house says a two-dimensional globe created by Martin Waldseemüller was the earliest recorded use of the term.[12] The name was also used (together with the related term Amerigen) in the Cosmographiae Introductio, apparently written by Matthias Ringmann, in reference to South America.[13] It was applied to both North and South America by Gerardus Mercator in 1538. America derives from Americus, the Latin version of Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci's first name. The feminine form America accorded with the feminine names of Asia, Africa, and Europa.[14]

"In modern English, North and South America are generally considered separate continents, and taken together are called America[15][16][17] or the Americas in the plural. When conceived as a unitary continent, the form is generally the continent of America in the singular. However, without a clarifying context, singular America in English commonly refers to the United States of America.[17]

"Historically, in the English-speaking world, the term America used to refer to a single continent until the 1950s (as in Van Loon's Geography of 1937): According to historians Kären Wigen and Martin W. Lewis,[18]

"While it might seem surprising to find North and South America still joined into a single continent in a book published in the United States in 1937, such a notion remained fairly common until World War II. [...] By the 1950s, however, virtually all American geographers had come to insist that the visually distinct landmasses of North and South America deserved separate designations.

"This shift did not seem to happen in Romance-speaking countries (including France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Romania, and the Romance-speaking countries of Latin America and Africa), where America is still considered a continent encompassing the North America and South America subcontinents,[19][20] as well as Central America.[21][22][23][24][25]"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

Note that the name America is recorded in 1507 - Sir Walter Raleigh discovered Roanoke Island in 1584 - some time later. (The British were late to the Americas.) & the Romance world still considers America a single continent, as noted immediately above.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Bolivians are pissed at Chile still, Gazans still hate Israel

In conflicts such as these, might is right, and attempts to fight that are often futile and only result in further defeat and humilitation.

Not taking sides here, just calling it like it is.
Perfect response. The U.S. and Britain found a way to get along. Most of the time, when a war ends, the parties find a way to do business. Examples:
  1. The U.S. Civil War;
  2. The War of 1812;
  3. WW II; and
  4. The Spanish-American War.
It's only the exceptional case where a people lose war after war, and choose misery. Perhaps the current milieu of having a U.N. creates false hopes.
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:25 AM
 
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And we should have taken the whole country.
Mexicans would be close to the majority if not the majority in the United States. It would be a very different country, a bilingual country.
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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It's only the exceptional case where a people lose war after war, and choose misery.
You're saying conquered peoples always have a choice as to whether they will be miserable or not?
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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Mexicans would be close to the majority if not the majority in the United States. It would be a very different country, a bilingual country.
You have a point there.

Today (2019) less than 60% of the US population is non-Hispanic white, a total of about 190 million people.
The population of Mexican Hispanics (of Mexican origin) in the US is about 55 million people and Mexico has a population of nearly 133 million.
That's a total of about 188 million ethnic Mexicans living in the north American continent.
Right now the Ethnic Mexican group may be larger than the non-Hispanic whites living in the American continent.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:12 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Of course Canadians are American. Everyone born & living in the Americas is, by definition, an American. What happens is that in ordinary conversation in English in the US, America is understood to refer solely to the US.
Thank you for being the 500th person to beat this dead horse this year.
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