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Old 03-26-2019, 11:42 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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During the Mexican - American war?

I'm asking this because there seems to be a lot of mexicans who are angry about it.
They aren't technologically advanced enough to do so!
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:40 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default Spanish government is about the center, not the periphery

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During the Mexican - American war?

I'm asking this because there seems to be a lot of mexicans who are angry about it.

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They aren't technologically advanced enough to do so!
Yah, & there's light @ the end of the tunnel.

I think it's more that Mexico lacks the political will - because trying to take the land seems like such a forlorn hope. Reconquering what's now the US Southwest is a misnomer anyway - New Spain & then Mexico claimed administrative charge of the land & the peoples there, but it was always a tenuous grip - more of a buffer against Russia & France, & then the US.
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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I think it's more that Mexico lacks the political will - because trying to take the land seems like such a forlorn hope. Reconquering what's now the US Southwest is a misnomer anyway - New Spain & then Mexico claimed administrative charge of the land & the peoples there, but it was always a tenuous grip - more of a buffer against Russia & France, & then the US.
Tenous grip indeed. Mexico was just a mess then after independence with Spain (of course it can be argued they are still a mess). These provinces were a 1,000 miles from Mexico City, the people there even if they were of spanish descent never considered themselves mexicans, part of Mexico. They were Texicans or Californios. They governed themeselves because the mexican government could not do it from such a distance.

For that matter, it's a miracle the the current day Mexico didn't simply break up into independent states. They tried indeed, many provinces revolted against Mexico City rule, but General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna simply marched his army across Mexico massacring men, woman, and children in any village that revolted, that solved that, until he found that even massacring surrendered troops didn't work in Texas. The U.S. still got his false leg as well , mexico won't get that back either.
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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The thirteen colonies, the rest was invaded by sourdoughs and illegal squatters
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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I went to LA's Olvera Street. Really great place to see Mexican culture in the city.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The thirteen colonies, the rest was invaded by sourdoughs and illegal squatters
Remember, the "illegality" of "squatting" is one reason we seceded from the United Kingdom. And "sourdoughs" applies to original white residents of either Alaska or the Yukon Territory, I forget which.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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These provinces were a 1,000 miles from Mexico City, the people there even if they were of spanish descent never considered themselves mexicans, part of Mexico.
That's not true. The Spanish speaking people in northern NM referred to themselves as Mexicans all the way through the mid 20th century.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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That's not true. The Spanish speaking people in northern NM referred to themselves as Mexicans all the way through the mid 20th century.
I thought they referred to themselves as Spanish. Apparently it was a complicated situation.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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I thought they referred to themselves as Spanish.
No, they referred to themselves as "mejicanos".
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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No, they referred to themselves as "mejicanos".
Nuevomejicanos. Not Mexican, New Mexicans.

None of the Spanish origin groups from the American South West were ever Mexican nor did they identify with Mexicans. They were Californios, Tejanos, Nuevomexicanos, etc. There were also several indigenous groups from the South West, Pueblo Indians, Navajos, etc. They were not Mexican and never spoke Spanish.

Mexicans are NOT the natives of the American South West. They crossed the border.
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