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Old 03-10-2019, 07:25 PM
 
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During the Mexican - American war?

I'm asking this because there seems to be a lot of mexicans who are angry about it.
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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Bolivians are pissed at Chile still, Gazans still hate Israel

In conflicts such as these, might is right, and attempts to fight that are often futile and only result in further defeat and humilitation.

Not taking sides here, just calling it like it is.
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Old 03-11-2019, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The Aztecs (Mexica tribe) found an island in the middle of a lake and called it Mexico.

the Aztecs then "Stole" the land from the surrounding tribes.

Then Spain "stole" the land from the Aztecs.

Then New Spain "stole" land and called themselves the country of Mexico.

then the United states Stole the land from Mexico that was vastly underpopulated and underdeveloped.
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:02 PM
 
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beats me
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, AUSTINtx
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Because the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo put an end to any Mexican claims. Also Texas was an independent republic that was sovereign and apart from Mexico. But the big picture, and one that affects me personally, is the city I reside in Austin, Texas wouldn’t be the great city it is if it was under Mexican (mis)rule.
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:29 PM
 
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During the Mexican - American war?

I'm asking this because there seems to be a lot of mexicans who are angry about it.
Nobody stole anything. It was an agreement, we bought it.

It didn't really belong to them anyway, they had only controlled/occupied Texas for 15 years. Mexicans have no claim to the American South West.

Texas has been under six different flags, and Mexico is just a small part of the story. They don't have any more claim to it than the French do.
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Old 03-13-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Someone with detailed knowledge of New Mexico history can say more, my understanding of the history is sporadic, but as far as I know, New Mexico was basically a remote "outpost", already difficult for the Mexican government to manage, and was already labelled as Nueva México on maps which leads me to suspect it was treated as kind of its own governed area or something long before the U.S took it. I could be totally wrong about those assumptions, but seems like it just made it easier for Mexico to relenquish it. At the end of the day, the U.S. was militarily stronger.
I don't know about California and Arizona, but it took the U.S. about 50-60 years after acquiring New Mexico in order to fully begin to govern it.
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Old 03-16-2019, 10:30 AM
 
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Most America boosters are neglecting to take into account that Mexico was invaded by the US army. The capital city was sieged and eventually capitulated. At that point, the Mexican government was essentially forced to sign a treaty (i.e. sell half of it's territory) at gun point.

America's capture of the capital and the routing of Mexican forces had nearly destroyed Mexico. In Mexico, the conflivt is not taught in schools as a war for only it's northern most provinces, it is taught as an invasion of the heart of the country and a humiliating defeat.

As a 4th generation Mexican American, I sometimes get bitter when I recall the greedy/imperialist nature of America's acquisition of the mountain west and California.

But frankly, the mountain west and California have experienced greater prosperity and the regions bounty distributed more equitably under American rule than if it had been a Mexican territory.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Most America boosters are neglecting to take into account that Mexico was invaded by the US army. The capital city was sieged and eventually capitulated. At that point, the Mexican government was essentially forced to sign a treaty (i.e. sell half of it's territory) at gun point.
U.S. armies had made it all the way down to Mexico City?? I didn't know that. I thought all the battles and skirmishes had taken place around the border areas. Did this Mexico City siege occur in the early/mid 1800s?
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As a 4th generation Mexican American, I sometimes get bitter when I recall the greedy/imperialist nature of America's acquisition of the mountain west and California.
Yes, New Mexican natives were also subjected to a campaign by the Anglos to denigrate their culture and language. The only reason they kept their language up until the late 20th century was because they were living in remote areas and the U.S. government didn't bother too much with NM as it's one of the "least desirable" states.

The Hispanics there pretty much lost their language. But kudos to the pueblo tribes who not only have kept their languages, but are growing stronger with it (the kids are fluent).

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But frankly, the mountain west and California have experienced greater prosperity and the regions bounty distributed more equitably under American rule than if it had been a Mexican territory.
yeah, probably true. But the cost was that the Hispanic/Mexican/Indian cultures have suffered greatly.
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Old 03-18-2019, 01:05 AM
 
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With the current demographics, essentially they are taking it back. Latinos are now the majority in places like Los Angeles, New Mexico, etc. Anglos are now a minority in the state of California.

This will soon be the case in Texas as well.
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