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Old 04-11-2019, 05:56 AM
 
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Thats because the military is only interested in maintaining the status quo. Much of Latin America suffers from economic dictatorships. As long as the elites keep their privileges and power, everything is ok.
That is the extreme left wing discourse… In that time Soviet Union and Cuba supported communist terrorists all over Latin America. Brazil came from 30 to 8 economy in the world during military government.
The poorest Brazilian exited from subsitency economy in the farmies to industrial jobs in the cities most Brazilians improved their lives.
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Old 04-11-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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… In that time Soviet Union and Cuba supported communist terrorists all over Latin America. Brazil came from 30 to 8 economy in the world during military government.
The poorest Brazilian exited from subsitency economy in the farmies to industrial jobs in the cities most Brazilians improved their lives.
And yet there is high inequality, poverty, rigid classism and rampant corruption in Brazil. Brazil is far from the egalitarian country you are trying to make out to be.


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That is the extreme left wing discourse
It would seem that way to an extreme right winger.
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:59 AM
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I don't get the point in having a military dictatorship or celebrating having one. It goes against the point of having a democracy.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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I don't get the point in having a military dictatorship or celebrating having one. It goes against the point of having a democracy.
Exactly. Dictatorship right or left is bad.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:39 AM
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Exactly. Dictatorship right or left is bad.
I'm all about democracy. I'm about doing the right thing. Democracy, not a dictatorship, is the best way to run a country. Laws are needed. Rule of law is needed. Laws within reason are needed. Military dictatorship, rule by nationwide fear, not a good thing.
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Old 04-11-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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Exactly. Dictatorship right or left is bad.
Within the context of Latin America, I feel that both the left and right have failed over the years.
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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I don't get the point in having a military dictatorship or celebrating having one. It goes against the point of having a democracy.
The point is that the military dictatorship saved Brazil of fall in civil war and fall in the hands of a communist dictatorship like Cuba sponsed by Soviet Union.

During its goverment Brazil was the country that most grow up in whole world getting rates among 8% and 14%. Only the small groups of armed terrorists communists were opressed and 18 years after they got in the power, when the country was stabilized the militaries gave back the power to the civils.

In other words military dictatorship in Brazil was not the evil that the left wing is saying it was… They used violence, BUT, the other side used violence too. For example Swiss and American ambassadors were kidnapped by the communist rebels.
Is in this context that Bolsonaro is talking about.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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And yet there is high inequality, poverty, rigid classism and rampant corruption in Brazil. Brazil is far from the egalitarian country you are trying to make out to be.




It would seem that way to an extreme right winger.
Where did I say it? I said Brazil was a country where the poorest lived a subsistence rural life. Where in times of drought people starved, where 40% of the population were illiterate and today the level of poverty is much tinner, Brazil is na industrilazed country where the poorest in favelas have water in the tap, light, internet and the freezer fulled of food.

Capitalism has not the power of create wealth to become a very poor country in Sweeden in few decades, countries like South Korea and Japan doing all right and sponsored by USA tooked 60 or 70 years to getting developed.

In another hand left wing does have the power of become rich countries in starving countries in few years, just look the example of Venezuela and Argentina. Although the military dictatorship in Brazil unfortunelly was not liberal like Pinoche in Chile they were keynesian.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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Victims of Brazil’s dictatorship have responded with fury after far-right president Jair Bolsonaro ordered the country’s armed forces to commemorate the anniversary of a 1964 coup which unleashed 21 years of military rule.

Bolsonaro, a former army captain, has frequently praised the regime under which hundreds of people were killed or forcibly disappeared. But his instructions that the military should mark the coup’s 55th anniversary this Sunday has prompted widespread fury.

more in the link:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tary-coup-1964


Bolsonaro is worse than Duterte.


Please watch it!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTenWQHRPIg
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Old 04-12-2019, 05:04 PM
 
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Where did I say it? I said Brazil was a country where the poorest lived a subsistence rural life. Where in times of drought people starved, where 40% of the population were illiterate and today the level of poverty is much tinner, Brazil is na industrilazed country where the poorest in favelas have water in the tap, light, internet and the freezer fulled of food.

Capitalism has not the power of create wealth to become a very poor country in Sweeden in few decades, countries like South Korea and Japan doing all right and sponsored by USA tooked 60 or 70 years to getting developed.

In another hand left wing does have the power of become rich countries in starving countries in few years, just look the example of Venezuela and Argentina. Although the military dictatorship in Brazil unfortunelly was not liberal like Pinoche in Chile they were keynesian.
I fully understand your assessment and agree with a good number of points. There is no point in trying to implement socialist policies in poor uneven countries like Venezuela and Cuba, since the main thing that happens is that power ends up in the hands of the Socialist party. As a result, wealth redistribution ends up making the country poorer.
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