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Old 06-30-2019, 05:52 PM
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You do have a point there, but it is understandable given how things were created in the USA. However, I think most blacks in this section of the forum either are from or have some ties to one or more islands of the English Caribbean, even from Guyana in the main land. Most are spectators, maybe one or two actually start this type of threads.

As for Celia Cruz, she was black everywhere she went. It didn’t matter if it was somewhere in North America, South America, Europe, Africa or where ever. When it came to that she was one thing every single place with no exception. In some places it means quite a lot, in other places its almost meaningless, but everywhere she was black. There is no denying this.

The same with her husband, whom I think is still alive. I’m not 100% sure on that.

For other types of people it can change every time they get on an airplane crossing international borders. The person doesn’t change, but how others see you certainly does. Whether its good or bad, you will get a chance to learn that first hand when you get there.
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:06 PM
 
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You do have a point there, but it is understandable given how things were created in the USA. However, I think most blacks in this section of the forum either are from or have some ties to one or more islands of the English Caribbean, even from Guyana in the main land. Most are spectators, maybe one or two actually start this type of threads.

As for Celia Cruz, she was black everywhere she went. It didn’t matter if it was somewhere in North America, South America, Europe, Africa or where ever. When it came to that she was one thing every single place with no exception. In some places it means quite a lot, in other places its almost meaningless, but everywhere she was black. There is no denying this.

The same with her husband, whom I think is still alive. I’m not 100% sure on that.

For other types of people it can change every time they get on an airplane crossing international borders. The person doesn’t change, but how others see you certainly does. Whether its good or bad, you will get a chance to learn that first hand when you get there.
The OP has stated that he’s Black American.

Please leave the English-speaking Caribbean out of the Latino-Black American back and forth.
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Old 06-30-2019, 11:23 PM
 
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Celia Cruz definitely seen herself as a Cuban first more than anything.Its mind blowing how many Cuban artists like Gloria Estefan,Celia Cruz,Paquito DíRivera,Arturo Sandoval,etc... all were very vocal against Castro and some of their music was banned. I wonder do these Cuban Global sensations still get praised in Cuba even though, they may be censored in Cuba...
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Old 07-01-2019, 04:04 PM
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The OP has stated that heís Black American.

Please leave the English-speaking Caribbean out of the Latino-Black American back and forth.
I donít see anything false or wrong about what I wrote. That person has his opinion and thatís it. He is wrong about it, but it is his opinion.

This is a part of the world where people that are partially descendants of the Spanish rule themselves. Many countries have the same language of many or all of their neighbors, many arenít that different from their neighbors, most countries have borders that are similar to the provinces Spain had in this hemisphere and even the name is the same. Guatemala was always called Guatemala in colonial times. The same is true of Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Venezuela (even when it was part of Gran Colombia), Peru, Chile, and many other places. They are all separate countries.

Even the Spanish Caribbean should be one country and in stead is split by three nations. Right now each place have a different economic system and one country is a dictatorship, but for centuries they were the same stuff. They even have more in common among themselves than they do with the rest of the Caribbean and that is still not enough to create one country. There was once a country known as Gran Colombia and so far it split into four countries, despite all of them have similarities with certain regions in the original Colombia.

The English Caribbean is broken into more countries. Thatís the part of the world where we live. Canada and the USA, especially the northern part of the USA and outside Quebec, isnít that different either. They even speak the same language with a similar accent (regional accents not withstanding), similar architecture, and similar economic level. Yet, they are two separate countries that share a border too.

The Portuguese had the right idea. They united and created one huge country, Brazil.

The English came second best by uniting the 13 colonies on North America and created the United States.

The Spanish are a different story and who knows what is in store for the future. Most countries in this hemisphere are much, much, much more similar to many or all of their neighbors than exists between DR and Haiti, and yet they are a bunch of countries. If Spanish-speaking people that were one country for centuries canít be kept as one country or at least 2 or 3 up and down the continent, I donít see how peoples with such a tumultuous history spanning centuries, different language, such a wide economic level when the most advanced isnít a developed place yet, etc will be anything than two countries.

Even in Europe people have seen and talked about Brexit. In Spain itself, many regions actually have two languages (Spanish and their local language) and is basically kept together by the royal family. CataluŮa has been trying to separate from Spain for some 300 years, we all remember the most recent episode of a few years ago. Thatís the type of world we live in.


This thread is of Celia Cru, who was loved and admired all over where Spanish is spoken.
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Old 07-02-2019, 07:34 AM
 
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I donít see anything false or wrong about what I wrote. That person has his opinion and thatís it. He is wrong about it, but it is his opinion.

This is a part of the world where people that are partially descendants of the Spanish rule themselves. Many countries have the same language of many or all of their neighbors, many arenít that different from their neighbors, most countries have borders that are similar to the provinces Spain had in this hemisphere and even the name is the same. Guatemala was always called Guatemala in colonial times. The same is true of Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Venezuela (even when it was part of Gran Colombia), Peru, Chile, and many other places. They are all separate countries.

Even the Spanish Caribbean should be one country and in stead is split by three nations. Right now each place have a different economic system and one country is a dictatorship, but for centuries they were the same stuff. They even have more in common among themselves than they do with the rest of the Caribbean and that is still not enough to create one country. There was once a country known as Gran Colombia and so far it split into four countries, despite all of them have similarities with certain regions in the original Colombia.

The English Caribbean is broken into more countries. Thatís the part of the world where we live. Canada and the USA, especially the northern part of the USA and outside Quebec, isnít that different either. They even speak the same language with a similar accent (regional accents not withstanding), similar architecture, and similar economic level. Yet, they are two separate countries that share a border too.

The Portuguese had the right idea. They united and created one huge country, Brazil.

The English came second best by uniting the 13 colonies on North America and created the United States.

The Spanish are a different story and who knows what is in store for the future. Most countries in this hemisphere are much, much, much more similar to many or all of their neighbors than exists between DR and Haiti, and yet they are a bunch of countries. If Spanish-speaking people that were one country for centuries canít be kept as one country or at least 2 or 3 up and down the continent, I donít see how peoples with such a tumultuous history spanning centuries, different language, such a wide economic level when the most advanced isnít a developed place yet, etc will be anything than two countries.

Even in Europe people have seen and talked about Brexit. In Spain itself, many regions actually have two languages (Spanish and their local language) and is basically kept together by the royal family. CataluŮa has been trying to separate from Spain for some 300 years, we all remember the most recent episode of a few years ago. Thatís the type of world we live in.


This thread is of Celia Cru, who was loved and admired all over where Spanish is spoken.
My post was two sentences, just pointing out in response that this thread wasnít started by anyone from the English-speaking Caribbean. Nothing more.
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Old 07-02-2019, 08:12 AM
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My post was two sentences, just pointing out in response that this thread wasn’t started by anyone from the English-speaking Caribbean. Nothing more.
I think anyone could have noticed that by simply seeing who is the original poster. I know I did prior to creating the posts.

With that said, I think most people don’t realize just how small most of the islands in the Caribbean really are. This is only deceptive on two islands and somewhat deceptive on two more islands, but everywhere else the islands are very small.

Land wise you can add all the islands of the Lesser Antilles, plus Puerto Rico, plus Jamaica, plus The Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos, plus Haiti; and the DR is still bigger than all of them combined. Cuba need to be added to make the rest bigger, but in Cuba you can fit the whole Caribbean and it’s still bigger.

Population wise there are some 3 million people in the Lesser Antilles. More than that live in the Santo Domingo metro area alone.

Most people don’t realize that most people in the Caribbean by a long shot actually speak Spanish and the second most spoken language is Haitian Creole.

Most people don’t realize that Port-au-Prince actually is the largest black city outside of Africa. The largest city in the English Caribbean is Kingston, Jamaica and the Santiago area of influence in the DR has more people than the metro area of that capital. Santiago is actually the largest mediterranean (surrounded by land) metro area in the Caribbean and the size of the largest cities in many countries in Central America.

People aren’t aware of many things for the simple fact that the region is made up of many islands, but only a handful have most of the people and the stuff. The region is actually a Hispanic zone like most of Central America and South America plus a large chunk of North America which is Mexico.

Celia Cruz’s music had a bigger effect on the people in the Caribbean than most people are aware.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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I donít see anything false or wrong about what I wrote. That person has his opinion and thatís it. He is wrong about it, but it is his opinion.

This is a part of the world where people that are partially descendants of the Spanish rule themselves. Many countries have the same language of many or all of their neighbors, many arenít that different from their neighbors, most countries have borders that are similar to the provinces Spain had in this hemisphere and even the name is the same. Guatemala was always called Guatemala in colonial times. The same is true of Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Venezuela (even when it was part of Gran Colombia), Peru, Chile, and many other places. They are all separate countries.

Even the Spanish Caribbean should be one country and in stead is split by three nations. Right now each place have a different economic system and one country is a dictatorship, but for centuries they were the same stuff. They even have more in common among themselves than they do with the rest of the Caribbean and that is still not enough to create one country. There was once a country known as Gran Colombia and so far it split into four countries, despite all of them have similarities with certain regions in the original Colombia.

The English Caribbean is broken into more countries. Thatís the part of the world where we live. Canada and the USA, especially the northern part of the USA and outside Quebec, isnít that different either. They even speak the same language with a similar accent (regional accents not withstanding), similar architecture, and similar economic level. Yet, they are two separate countries that share a border too.

The Portuguese had the right idea. They united and created one huge country, Brazil.

The English came second best by uniting the 13 colonies on North America and created the United States.

The Spanish are a different story and who knows what is in store for the future. Most countries in this hemisphere are much, much, much more similar to many or all of their neighbors than exists between DR and Haiti, and yet they are a bunch of countries. If Spanish-speaking people that were one country for centuries canít be kept as one country or at least 2 or 3 up and down the continent, I donít see how peoples with such a tumultuous history spanning centuries, different language, such a wide economic level when the most advanced isnít a developed place yet, etc will be anything than two countries.

Even in Europe people have seen and talked about Brexit. In Spain itself, many regions actually have two languages (Spanish and their local language) and is basically kept together by the royal family. CataluŮa has been trying to separate from Spain for some 300 years, we all remember the most recent episode of a few years ago. Thatís the type of world we live in.


This thread is of Celia Cru, who was loved and admired all over where Spanish is spoken.
Puerto Rico would rather stay annexed to the US then become super-sovereign with the DR and Cuba,plus Cuba being a socialist economy will be difficult integrating with the DR,despite it heading in a capitalist direction.
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Old 07-02-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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I think anyone could have noticed that by simply seeing who is the original poster. I know I did prior to creating the posts.

With that said, I think most people donít realize just how small most of the islands in the Caribbean really are. This is only deceptive on two islands and somewhat deceptive on two more islands, but everywhere else the islands are very small.

Land wise you can add all the islands of the Lesser Antilles, plus Puerto Rico, plus Jamaica, plus The Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos, plus Haiti; and the DR is still bigger than all of them combined. Cuba need to be added to make the rest bigger, but in Cuba you can fit the whole Caribbean and itís still bigger.

Population wise there are some 3 million people in the Lesser Antilles. More than that live in the Santo Domingo metro area alone.

Most people donít realize that most people in the Caribbean by a long shot actually speak Spanish and the second most spoken language is Haitian Creole.

Most people donít realize that Port-au-Prince actually is the largest black city outside of Africa. The largest city in the English Caribbean is Kingston, Jamaica and the Santiago area of influence in the DR has more people than the metro area of that capital. Santiago is actually the largest mediterranean (surrounded by land) metro area in the Caribbean and the size of the largest cities in many countries in Central America.

People arenít aware of many things for the simple fact that the region is made up of many islands, but only a handful have most of the people and the stuff. The region is actually a Hispanic zone like most of Central America and South America plus a large chunk of North America which is Mexico.

Celia Cruzís music had a bigger effect on the people in the Caribbean than most people are aware.
Agreed.
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Old 07-07-2019, 03:54 AM
 
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Not to confuse various side issues, I am not black, nor from the Caribbean, nor Cuba....etc., etc.

And still I think Celia Cruz was totally terrific, and at 80 plus I have her songs all through my playlists. The woman was - and still is through her recordings - one hell of a great singer.
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Old 07-26-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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Celia Cruz definitely seen herself as a Cuban first more than anything.Its mind blowing how many Cuban artists like Gloria Estefan,Celia Cruz,Paquito DíRivera,Arturo Sandoval,etc... all were very vocal against Castro and some of their music was banned. I wonder do these Cuban Global sensations still get praised in Cuba even though, they may be censored in Cuba...
She was also very vocal about black issues as it impacted Cubans.
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