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Old 07-04-2019, 07:44 AM
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Yes we have been since 1950 with this idea of ​​develop our own industry... but 70 years after they are still asking for protection !! We pay a minimum of twice for any simple stuff, cars or cellphones than in USA and Europe for inferior products !! Stuff made in Brazil and exported to Chile and Mťxico are cheaper there than here! they are stoling the internal Market for decades.
They had enough time to prepair themselfs for competion !!

Europeans agrobusiness fear their south americans rivals. they are against this trade deal specially because of them, the negotiations spent '' only 20 years ''

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eco...rmers-protest/
They will always ask for protection. That is part of their job. The governments are suppose to look at every sector and decide which ones still need protection, but usually they don’t do that. In Latin America generally small countries tend to be very open economies (take Dominican Republic as an example, which is one of the most open economies in the entire region) and big economies tend to be much more closed (Argentina and Brazil are good examples). Sometimes it is the oposite (Haiti is one of the most closed economies in the region while Chile is much more open), but the general rule is what I said. Generally the more closed an economy, the more that country favors the upper class over the rest of society.
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:01 PM
 
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As well here in Mercosul with each country.
Asian countries are growing and becoming more and more competitives. This free trade deal between EU-Mercosul is a soft step for both blocks become more competive because both are less competitive than east Asia and north AmericaÖ

If Europe continue closed, you will become yourself in the future in another MercosulÖ will lose much of the extra EU international market and will need high import taxes to protect europeans business forcing european people pay the bill.

The problem if we don't get this deal with EU we will need do it on the hard way with Asians and USA.
The EU will just fine without a trade deal with Mercosur. As it is Spanish companies own considerable interests in Latin America and Spanish, British, and Dutch companies still for oil there.

European nations are advanced Western nations that donít need free trade deals with poor, corrupt, nations. No more than US.

Trump will not sign a free trade deal with Mercosur, and nor will the next Democratic President.

Thereís absolutely no real interest in the US or in Europe in building up South America. Modern prosperity in the US or in Europe has nothing to do with Mercosur. If anything itís South America that has to import a lot of American, European, and Asian brands.
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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I supported the socialists in Spain who won and Iím sure they wonít vote for a free trade agreement with Mercosur. I donít think the right wing parliaments in Italy, Poland, or Hungary.
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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From former French, English, Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish colonies Europeans can get plenty of cheap resources from Africa and Asia.

Africa is closer to them than South America.

With the current politics in the EU this is dead. Just like the Trans Pacific Partnership died out.
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Old 07-04-2019, 05:54 PM
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Spanish (is in from Spain) companies have done well in Latin America, but some Spanish companies are crooks.

I don't remember the country, but there was a Spanish company that won the licitation to build a bridge and then it was paid and left the region with millions paid and no bridge built.

Some Spanish companies had their property taken over by some Latin American countries. This happen in Argentina when Cristina was president and she took over I think it was Repsol, some oil company down there. The same happen to several Spanish companies in Venezuela, although that country has become a real mess. Some Spaniards were seen in Spanish TV very bitter with Venezuela. I remember seeing a Spaniard on Spanish TV saying that Spain was first and his people are first. He was bitter because the Venezuelan government confiscated some business of his.

In the DR, which continues to be pro-Spaniard and its citizens have a special window in Dominican immigration where they get preferential treatment and quite easy for them to be legal in that country, Union Fenosa entered the electricity sector and overnight many people saw their bills shoot through the roof. Union Fenosa had to leave the industry a few years later, but that was a good deal for them because the Dominican government paid them their losses. In Bolivia some Spanish company got in trouble after they got into the water industry in that country.

In Spain itself there was multiple corruption scandals with builders up and down its Costa del Sol area along the Mediterranean. Many mayors of towns that even surrounded Madrid, the capital, were caught in corruption scandals too. Some acts of corruption in Spain are as recent as last year. In one town 39 people were caught in some corrup practices in the local government, including the mayor. Its crazy when anyone thinks about it.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/politic...cifuentes.html

https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/160...ion/imputados/

https://www.efe.com/efe/espana/polit.../10002-3669932
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Old 07-04-2019, 06:24 PM
 
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Spanish (is in from Spain) companies have done well in Latin America, but some Spanish companies are crooks.

I don't remember the country, but there was a Spanish company that won the licitation to build a bridge and then it was paid and left the region with millions paid and no bridge built.

Some Spanish companies had their property taken over by some Latin American countries. This happen in Argentina when Cristina was president and she took over I think it was Repsol, some oil company down there. The same happen to several Spanish companies in Venezuela, although that country has become a real mess. Some Spaniards were seen in Spanish TV very bitter with Venezuela. I remember seeing a Spaniard on Spanish TV saying that Spain was first and his people are first. He was bitter because the Venezuelan government confiscated some business of his.

In the DR, which continues to be pro-Spaniard and its citizens have a special window in Dominican immigration where they get preferential treatment and quite easy for them to be legal in that country, Union Fenosa entered the electricity sector and overnight many people saw their bills shoot through the roof. Union Fenosa had to leave the industry a few years later, but that was a good deal for them because the Dominican government paid them their losses. In Bolivia some Spanish company got in trouble after they got into the water industry in that country.

In Spain itself there was multiple corruption scandals with builders up and down its Costa del Sol area along the Mediterranean. Many mayors of towns that even surrounded Madrid, the capital, were caught in corruption scandals too. Some acts of corruption in Spain are as recent as last year. In one town 39 people were caught in some corrup practices in the local government, including the mayor. Its crazy when anyone thinks about it.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/politic...cifuentes.html

https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/160...ion/imputados/

https://www.efe.com/efe/espana/polit.../10002-3669932
Response was booted out of Argentina for basically taking all the petro to Spain, to be sold at high prices in other countries.

But since losing Argentina and Venezuela, they gained Angola and other countries in Africa. The biggest banks in Latin America are Santander and BBVA. Movistar is the biggest můvil phone, internet, and cable company. The companies I named are Spanish. Many Latin American utilities are owned by Spanish companies too.

The right wing government of Spain, leas by Mariano Rajoy collapsed in a corruption scandal.
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Old 07-05-2019, 04:50 AM
 
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The EU will just fine without a trade deal with Mercosur. As it is Spanish companies own considerable interests in Latin America and Spanish, British, and Dutch companies still for oil there.

European nations are advanced Western nations that donít need free trade deals with poor, corrupt, nations. No more than US.

Trump will not sign a free trade deal with Mercosur, and nor will the next Democratic President.

Thereís absolutely no real interest in the US or in Europe in building up South America. Modern prosperity in the US or in Europe has nothing to do with Mercosur. If anything itís South America that has to import a lot of American, European, and Asian brands.
OMG! you only have some knowledge talking about races and black diaspora issues! Economy is not really your business speaking a lot of nonsense
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Old 07-05-2019, 05:08 AM
 
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They will always ask for protection. That is part of their job. The governments are suppose to look at every sector and decide which ones still need protection, but usually they donít do that. In Latin America generally small countries tend to be very open economies (take Dominican Republic as an example, which is one of the most open economies in the entire region) and big economies tend to be much more closed (Argentina and Brazil are good examples). Sometimes it is the oposite (Haiti is one of the most closed economies in the region while Chile is much more open), but the general rule is what I said. Generally the more closed an economy, the more that country favors the upper class over the rest of society.
True.
Of course in the past in petrol shocks big countries like Brazil had to start produce o lot of stuff internally to save money and be able to import oil and big countries need a lot of national companies and production for employ and supply its huge populations but nowadays the only reason is protecting business cartels.
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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OMG! you only have some knowledge talking about races and black diaspora issues! Economy is not really your business speaking a lot of nonsense
No one in Europe talks about a potential deal with Mercosur because at best South America is not relevant to them.

Similarly South America is not the relevant to the US.

You want a trade deal with the EU to legitimacy.

With the current political situation on the ground in many EU countries I donít see such a deal even going through.
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:41 AM
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Also, most exports being natural resources isn’t in itself bad. In fact, economies such as Australia and New Zealand depends on their exports of several meats and other natural stuff, yet they are developed economies. Population size vis-a-vis their exports and developing other internal sectors is very important. You can also see some of the oil rich countries as the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, etc which are rich and developed despite being absolute kingdoms and not democracies.

Argentina needs to get its act straight with its political class, which I think is the main reason that country hasn’t reach developed status as of yet.
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