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Interesting posts here.
vantexan, you are really educating yourself about Argentina as your possible place of retirement. Thank you for sharing with us. If you'd like to post something about other aspects of life there, people would love it. I'm one of those who consider retirement out of USA, and Argentina/Chile are certainly in the picture. When do you anticipate possibly moving to Argentina?
StarlaJane, you are also informative, but you need to get rid of the racism stigma. If you designate Argentinians as racists, then you can do the same with the rest of the world with caucasian population. I can assure you, that at least europeans don't like dark minorities in Europe, who are always a burden. Lived there for 31 years.
Interesting posts here.
vantexan, you are really educating yourself about Argentina as your possible place of retirement. Thank you for sharing with us. If you'd like to post something about other aspects of life there, people would love it. I'm one of those who consider retirement out of USA, and Argentina/Chile are certainly in the picture. When do you anticipate possibly moving to Argentina?
StarlaJane, you are also informative, but you need to get rid of the racism stigma. If you designate Argentinians as racists, then you can do the same with the rest of the world with caucasian population. I can assure you, that at least europeans don't like dark minorities in Europe, who are always a burden. Lived there for 31 years.
Hi Paulpan, I would love to live there but due to my company terminating our pension plan I have to face financial realities. Argentina was very affordable a few years ago but has experienced considerable inflation. Unless they have another monetary collapse I'll have to look elsewhere. And certainly I hope they don't! If you have reasonable resources it's still more affordable than the U.S., especially outside Buenos Aires. The real expert on this board goes by DBCC. if you search Argentina here you will see his very informative posts.
Chile has everything going for it except low costs. Has the best infrastructure in Latin America and they've just elected a pro-business president. Good luck!
I lived in Argentina for a year. There are many of what we in the U.S. would call 'undocumented' or illegal people in the country from even poorer countries like Peru, for example. Many live in the 'villa miserias', or shantytowns in and around Buenos Aires. Just from walking around on the streets, I'd say a very high proportion of Portenos, and possibly even actual Argentinians are of southern European descent, however, many of those you see on the streets are not Argentine citizens.
Btw, a lot of people says that Argentinian spanish is influenced by Italian (which is) but Portuguese influence is stronger see this example.
Could you come for a second?
Tú puedes venir un momento? (in Mexican and Spain's spanish)
Vos podés venir un momento? (Argentinian spanish)
Você pode vir um momento? (Brazilian portuguese)
Tu puoi venire un momento? (Italian)
Regards
Well, on of the most obvious Italian influence in Argentine Spanish is in their intonation, which you can't demonstrate through writing.
Also, vos podés and você pode sound very different.
The former sounds more like boh podhéh, with the stress on dhéh, whereas the latter ends up sounding like say podge.
The Chilean version would be:
Tú poíh venir un momento?
which is similar to Italian.
Plz, the average fabio of Argentina looks much much whiter than the average us national.
Argentina is 97% unmixed caucasian, and 3% multiracial (CIA worldfactbook). That country is so racist that they had a european only immigration policy. According to the argentine constitution, only europeans were allowed to move and live in Argentina.
The country that is in fact meztizo is the usa. The average US national does not look like a european ( unmixed euro blooded). The majority of US nationals are light skinned mestizos/multiracials.
Even Elvis Presley was a meztizo. (Amerindian-euro)...
The 80% "white population" of usa is not white unmixed european.
Light skinned multiracials/mestizos tend to self identify themselves as "white" in the USA.
The only remaining european homogenous countries of the new world are Argentina, Australia, Canada, and Uruguay.
Followed by New Zealand and Chile.
The USA demographics are similar to Brazil.
I am not quite sure if I agree with you. It is stated that most Argentineans come from Spanish and Italian descent. Many Italians and Spanish are not really that white since their history involve many Arabic and Moorish invasions. Originating from Piemonte Italy I can attest that the primary Italian emigration came from the south whom many from Italy do not want to acknowledge as even being part of Italy since they are so ethnically mixed.
If there is any country with a homogenous society I would have to say it is Iceland.
Why is Argentina so often portrayed here in the US as "Europe in South America" when it is firmly in Latin America?
Because this is the image that Argentina wants to project and prides itself on. This arrogance has led to a country that never fails to undermine itself.
In the 1930s, Argentina was among the richest countries outside of Western Europe. Now it pathetically remains an emerging market, well behind a number of countries held back by the Iron Curtain and behind several Latin American countries.
All the above are small to mid size and/or Latin American economies (in bold). It is light years behind its former peers (Australia and Canada), behind all of Asia's major emerging markets, already well behind many of Central Europe's Economies once behind the Iron Curtain, behind a few of Sub-Saharan Africa's better run economies, and in the middle of the pack wrt the Carribbean economies.
Argentina had best put away its fantasies over its connections to Europe and instead should get its act together once and for all and make something of themselves.
Because this is the image that Argentina wants to project and prides itself on. This arrogance has led to a country that never fails to undermine itself.
In the 1930s, Argentina was among the richest countries outside of Western Europe. Now it pathetically remains an emerging market, well behind a number of countries held back by the Iron Curtain and behind several Latin American countries.
All the above are small to mid size and/or Latin American economies (in bold). It is light years behind its former peers (Australia and Canada), behind all of Asia's major emerging markets, already well behind many of Central Europe's Economies once behind the Iron Curtain, behind a few of Sub-Saharan Africa's better run economies, and in the middle of the pack wrt the Carribbean economies.
Argentina had best put away its fantasies over its connections to Europe and instead should get its act together once and for all and make something of themselves.
S.
That is pretty sad... French Guiana makes more than Argentineans.
Elvis Presley reportedly did have some American Indian ancestry, but I don't know how substantial it was. Lou Diamond Phillips might fit more closely to the original idea of "Mestizo" as he's reportedly a mix of Spanish, Asian, and Cherokee.
Well, certainly Elvis looked darker than the average Scot (I say this since the name Presley comes from Scotland).
For example "Jessica Biel" has Indian blood, but looks completely white. These cases in Latin America are too frequent.
56% of Argentines have Indian blood, but between 75% and 85% of Argentines looks completely white.
So it is with Chile, 84% of Chileans has Indian blood, but 52.7% of Chileans looks completely white.
Ethnographic studies in Latin America are by phenotype (as he looks)
Greetings
PD : Sorry about my English
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