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Unread 11-30-2010, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Avondale and Tempe, Arizona
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It seems like the biggest obstacle is finding organ donors. My brother has been fighting liver disease for over a decade.

This is a personal and emotional topic for the sick person and their family. They have the choice and means to get the procedure if they had private insurance.

When you fall back on the government decisions have to be made without consideration for what the supplicant and their family thinks should be the priority. Government has to view the masses and work out what they think is the best solution for all who have subjected themselves to their care.

Java Jolt, get a grip, there is a world of difference between killing babies and the government being willing to spend unlimited amounts of money to buy a little more time on this earth for someone. It is heartbreaking but death will inevtiably separate us from the people we love no matter what we do.
I am not the one who needs to get a grip.

The state budget can be cut in other ways like forcing the governor and all the legislators to take a paycut and having their benefits slashed or reduced. Let them see what it feels like to be in a desperate situation if they need a life-saving operation and can't afford it.

Many people fall back on the government for their healthcare because of incidents like unemployment, or working people whose employers have slashed their health insurance for cost-cutting reasons.

Being on AHCCCS isn't a choice for most people, unless you figure it as having a choice between life and death.
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Unread 11-30-2010, 04:30 PM
 
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The state budget can be cut in other ways like forcing the governor and all the legislators to take a paycut and having their benefits slashed or reduced.
There is a lot of waste in the state's budget. Cutting the pay and benefits of the governor and legislators would be a "feel good" move, but would be a drop in the bucket compared to what else could (and should) be cut. I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen, just that it wouldn't be enough to make a difference for AHCCCS' budget.

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Many people fall back on the government for their healthcare because of incidents like unemployment, or working people whose employers have slashed their health insurance for cost-cutting reasons.
The problem I see is that people see the government "safety net" as a fail-safe, so they take risks or don't plan for the "what ifs", etc, and end up relying on that safety net when maybe they really didn't need to if they'd made some different choices. I guess what ends up happening when you do that is someone else ends up deciding some important things for you, and you're stuck in a position where you can't do anything about it.
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Unread 11-30-2010, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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There is a lot of waste in the state's budget. Cutting the pay and benefits of the governor and legislators would be a "feel good" move, but would be a drop in the bucket compared to what else could (and should) be cut. I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen, just that it wouldn't be enough to make a difference for AHCCCS' budget.



The problem I see is that people see the government "safety net" as a fail-safe, so they take risks or don't plan for the "what ifs", etc, and end up relying on that safety net when maybe they really didn't need to if they'd made some different choices. I guess what ends up happening when you do that is someone else ends up deciding some important things for you, and you're stuck in a position where you can't do anything about it.
Employer based health insurance is the root cause of a great deal of the financial misery in this country. Things are great till you lose the job, get sick, and then its lights out. We have to have about the dumbest method of providing health insurance ever conceived by man.
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Unread 11-30-2010, 07:59 PM
 
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Employer based health insurance is the root cause of a great deal of the financial misery in this country. Things are great till you lose the job, get sick, and then its lights out. We have to have about the dumbest method of providing health insurance ever conceived by man.
I think the most ideal system is where you take your own money and shop for whatever policy you wish by any number of companies--much like auto insurance. It would have zero to do with employment. There's quite a bit of unnecessary federal government regulation that needs to go away, too.

Actually, the most ideal system is to pay cash. You'd still need some insurance should something serious (and seriously expensive) happen. It would be something like a life insurance policy, I guess--you only use it if it's something really, really costly. Otherwise, you pay cash.

But this is America. We're all going to have ObamaCare shortly, right?
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Unread 11-30-2010, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande
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I think the most ideal system is where you take your own money and shop for whatever policy you wish by any number of companies--much like auto insurance. It would have zero to do with employment. There's quite a bit of unnecessary federal government regulation that needs to go away, too.

Actually, the most ideal system is to pay cash. You'd still need some insurance should something serious (and seriously expensive) happen. It would be something like a life insurance policy, I guess--you only use it if it's something really, really costly. Otherwise, you pay cash.

But this is America. We're all going to have ObamaCare shortly, right?
And what are those monthly costs for health insurance...major medical if something happens...like life insurance?
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Unread 11-30-2010, 09:54 PM
 
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And what are those monthly costs for health insurance...major medical if something happens...like life insurance?
I have no idea. I don't have a specific plan.
I do know if you go to the doctor and tell them you are paying in cash and not using insurance, the amount they'll charge you is significantly less than what they'll bill the insurance company.
You take out the middle man and you save money.
However, you'd want some sort of insurance should something major happen. I have no idea what a company would charge for a service like that.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 05:03 PM
 
Location: LEFT of the white house
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Default Francisco Felix of Phoenix

Francisco Felix of Phoenix dies Sunday ~ Death panel is working in Arizona!

Phoenix-area man dies before he can receive transplant


KTAR.com - Ethics expert condemns AHCCCS budget cuts
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Unread 12-01-2010, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Francisco Felix of Phoenix dies Sunday ~ Death panel is working in Arizona!

Phoenix-area man dies before he can receive transplant


KTAR.com - Ethics expert condemns AHCCCS budget cuts
Good grief. Read the article before you link it. It refers to Mark Price, not FF. He had leukemia, had money lined up but was too sick and died of complications of his disease before he could get the treatment. I don't know what became of FF. Maybe he got the money together as well. Did you donate or do you just pontificate?
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Unread 12-02-2010, 10:19 PM
 
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These are unfortunately likely the tip of the iceburg of our problems, as we cope with the 2nd worst budget crisis of any state in the country. We are going to have harder and harder choices moving forward.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: LEFT of the white house
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Good grief. Read the article before you link it. It refers to Mark Price, not FF. He had leukemia, had money lined up but was too sick and died of complications of his disease before he could get the treatment. I don't know what became of FF. Maybe he got the money together as well. Did you donate or do you just pontificate?

Thank you for pointing that out.


When searching for additional information regarding the AZ healthcare issue, google provided several links of updated news stories about the topic. I (in error) got the link about Price’s case mixed with Francisco Felix when I was looking for updated information, my fault. However the story of Mark Price in of itself isn’t any less important, it is yet another story that is factual about how the state government treats patients who are desperate and in need that are on state government healthcare. I’ve primarily seen the story on national tv news as well some of the local radio stations at times. Thus I have attempted to stay as informed about local health care but I’m not an expert on the subject, I know only what I’ve acquired. My personal knowledge of major health care issues death and dying not associated with AHCCC is simply personal and doesn’t apply here. AHCCC is now a state government death panel, the type of death panel that so many talked about when at the federal level, efforts were being made to provide everyone with health care. The reality has come to be here in Arizona.

And yes,, you and others might want to make a contribution to the National Transplant Assistance Fund to help those less fortunate with AZ state healthcare.

National Transplant Assistance Fund & Catastrophic Injury Program
The NTA Fund is the only organization that I'm aware of for transplant assistance, although there may be something in the private sector of the state that is available but I've not heard or found anything.

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