Death panels (Sierra Vista, Maricopa: apartments, house, purchase)

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Boompa

See if you feel that way when the Governors Death Panel gets you

Sorry, Boompa . . . I am very sensitive to "causes" but I am also very tired of so many generous people who are only generous with the money from someone else's pocket.

If anyone feels so strongly about a cause they shouldn't sit back and P & M . . . they should get involved and PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS.

Arizona's, budget, as well as the current budgets for all the other states in this country, will only go so far and, unfortunately, some items need to be either reduced or eliminated completely because no one wants to pay more taxes.

By the way, have you volunteered to pay additional taxes lately?

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by Esenjay

Brewer was re-elected; the state knew what they were getting when they submitted their ballots.

Sounds like you have strong feelings about this topic, Boompa--are you doing anything significant to address the problem? (I don't count being angry and posting acidic comments here in City Data Forums as significant.) Yelling into the wind is fruitless; however, there are ways to make your voice heard that might make a difference.

I'm glad he posted this and I'm ashamed that we all aren't constantly talking about this, it's sick, and I think if enough people talk about it and start caring what direction we are going in then we can change it!!!!!
Unless, the rest of you don't want to change direction which I think would be equally sick!!!
How many people are killed by our illegal problem in AZ a year? We are paying big money for those lawsuits! How many people will Jan Brewer kill this year? I bet a lot more than the illegal immigrants in AZ.
I just watched CNN talk about us again on this very issue, it's so gross, I can't believe any of you are sick of talking about it. I think this kind of disgrace is what we all should be talking about instead of how tan you get in Phoenix, or where to get the cheapest house, what about how sick your going to get here?
Do you think your insurance companies will keep you on and pay for a transplant if you need one? I doubt it, then what are you going to do? Jan Brewer has 30 million dollars unaccounted for in federal assistance and it only takes 1.4 million for these transplants. Christ she spent double that on Algae research this year, she doesn't mind keeping the oil companies happy. She isn't listening to anybody of authority on this and won't talk to anyone about it, what is her deal? What a creep, she's like the grim reaper and company in there.
I think everyone should pay more attention to the dealings in our government, because at some point we are going to see out of work and ill people all over the streets of our city, because thats the only place we will have left to put them!!!

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by Bummer

Sorry, Boompa . . . I am very sensitive to "causes" but I am also very tired of so many generous people who are only generous with the money from someone else's pocket.

If anyone feels so strongly about a cause they shouldn't sit back and P & M . . . they should get involved and PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS.

Arizona's, budget, as well as the current budgets for all the other states in this country, will only go so far and, unfortunately, some items need to be either reduced or eliminated completely because no one wants to pay more taxes.

By the way, have you volunteered to pay additional taxes lately?

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/0...lant-patients/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/us....html?_r=3&hpw
Well, after the republicans announced the churches would have to take care of the people out of work they have stepped in and are doing their best. I donated time and money up the arsehole for the things my state ignores so they can pay for what they see as a priority with my taxes. I wouldn't dare pay extra taxes to this state in fear it would be used to dye the governments hair.
I can't believe you bought that line, "we don't have the money", bs, they just exposed the crap out of that windbag on CNN, it's going to get embarrassing again around here, time to wake up! She is a liar, a cheat, and now she is a killer too! She blamed Obama's health care reform but she made the cuts before that was even there, she just says whatever she wants, and I guess I see why, people believe her crap so why not?!?! What ever works I guess.
What a joke, why don't you open your eyes, this state is going down the moral toilet faster than Washington, I don't understand why you don't realize your going with it!

Why don't you all watch it, it's on ever hour tonight and gives you a clear picture of things to come here.

[GreenNorthwestScott]

Originally Posted by twiggy

I'm glad he posted this and I'm ashamed that we all aren't constantly talking about this, it's sick, and I think if enough people talk about it and start caring what direction we are going in then we can change it!!!!!
Unless, the rest of you don't want to change direction which I think would be equally sick!!!
How many people are killed by our illegal problem in AZ a year? We are paying big money for those lawsuits! How many people will Jan Brewer kill this year? I bet a lot more than the illegal immigrants in AZ.
I just watched CNN talk about us again on this very issue, it's so gross, I can't believe any of you are sick of talking about it. I think this kind of disgrace is what we all should be talking about instead of how tan you get in Phoenix, or where to get the cheapest house, what about how sick your going to get here?
Do you think your insurance companies will keep you on and pay for a transplant if you need one? I doubt it, then what are you going to do? Jan Brewer has 30 million dollars unaccounted for in federal assistance and it only takes 1.4 million for these transplants. Christ she spent double that on Algae research this year, she doesn't mind keeping the oil companies happy. She isn't listening to anybody of authority on this and won't talk to anyone about it, what is her deal? What a creep, she's like the grim reaper and company in there.
I think everyone should pay more attention to the dealings in our government, because at some point we are going to see out of work and ill people all over the streets of our city, because thats the only place we will have left to put them!!!

Much truth to what you say. The ongoing bad press and reputation from all the pre-election nonsense has now morphed into Gov. Jan's real death panels. The state's image has taken a hit no question. The few positive things I do see on the horizon is all the bowl/golf hoopla coming up and the All Star game this next summer. Hopefully sports will kick start AZ back into a positive national spotlight. I am encouraged today by the Andy Thomas news. Let's hope the circle will start to tighten in on all the misdeeds of Sheriff Jose. Now that would be progress. The money these two have cost taxpayers over the years would have gone a long way to take care of the healthcare for many Arizona residents.

[twiggy]

Looks like the people who watch MSNBC take better care of our citizens than our government.
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They raised money for our people because we can't take care of them ourselves, we needed a roof on the Veterans colosseum. That took about as much money as the transplants she could have given this year. But, we need new roofs, right?

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Scroll down on this video player to see more of Jan, and her death panel.
This looks like a joke, it's strange that it's real.

[Grannysroost]

Originally Posted by twiggy

I'm glad he posted this and I'm ashamed that we all aren't constantly talking about this, it's sick, and I think if enough people talk about it and start caring what direction we are going in then we can change it!!!!!
Unless, the rest of you don't want to change direction which I think would be equally sick!!!
How many people are killed by our illegal problem in AZ a year? We are paying big money for those lawsuits! How many people will Jan Brewer kill this year? I bet a lot more than the illegal immigrants in AZ.
I just watched CNN talk about us again on this very issue, it's so gross, I can't believe any of you are sick of talking about it. I think this kind of disgrace is what we all should be talking about instead of how tan you get in Phoenix, or where to get the cheapest house, what about how sick your going to get here?
Do you think your insurance companies will keep you on and pay for a transplant if you need one? I doubt it, then what are you going to do? Jan Brewer has 30 million dollars unaccounted for in federal assistance and it only takes 1.4 million for these transplants. Christ she spent double that on Algae research this year, she doesn't mind keeping the oil companies happy. She isn't listening to anybody of authority on this and won't talk to anyone about it, what is her deal? What a creep, she's like the grim reaper and company in there.
I think everyone should pay more attention to the dealings in our government, because at some point we are going to see out of work and ill people all over the streets of our city, because thats the only place we will have left to put them!!!

Algae in AZ?.... She has been with Sarah too much I think....

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by Grannysroost

Algae in AZ?.... She has been with Sarah too much I think....

LOLOLOLOL........I can see Mexico from my house!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Esenjay]

You are doing something about this besides making inflammatory posts in an online public forum, right? You obviously feel strongly about the issue, so please detail--what else are you doing to make the governor and state legislature know how upset you are? What else are you doing to help raise money for the near-dead and dying who need the transplants?

Oh, and if you do agree with particular decisions the governor makes--do you let her know about those, too? Or do you save communication just for the things you disagree with? I'm curious, that's all, if the emotions run both ways or generally downhill.

[GreenNorthwestScott]

Originally Posted by Esenjay

You are doing something about this besides making inflammatory posts in an online public forum, right? You obviously feel strongly about the issue, so please detail--what else are you doing to make the governor and state legislature know how upset you are? What else are you doing to help raise money for the near-dead and dying who need the transplants?

Oh, and if you do agree with particular decisions the governor makes--do you let her know about those, too? Or do you save communication just for the things you disagree with? I'm curious, that's all, if the emotions run both ways or generally downhill.

This is not a left/right issue. This is a moral issue that concerns the state of Arizona withholding care and allowing it's citizens to die. Many if not all of the people on the transplant list were told basically,
"sorry we changed our mind, we know we promised you care but there are other budget considerations."
When questioned by the press the Governor shrugs and shows no empathy on the subject, just her cavalier attitude.
It's a shame that people need to die (many times with great pain and suffering) because this Governor wants to play to a political base. She's not painting a very pretty picture of Arizona to the rest of the country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vkuWdUoESA

[Java Jolt]

Originally Posted by GreenNorthwestScott

This is not a left/right issue. This is a moral issue that concerns the state of Arizona withholding care and allowing it's citizens to die. Many if not all of the people on the transplant list were told basically,
"sorry we changed our mind, we know we promised you care but there are other budget considerations."
When questioned by the press the Governor shrugs and shows no empathy on the subject, just her cavalier attitude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vkuWdUoESA
It's a shame that people need to die (many times with great pain and suffering) because this Governor wants to play to a political base. She's not painting a very pretty picture of Arizona to the rest of the country.

Agree totally.

It's astounding how the conservatives were bashing President Obama and the democrats for the creation of death panels when the healthcare bill was passed.

Now the same conservatives are creating their own death panels by slashing AHCCCS coverage for those in need but not taking a cut on their own benefits.

No question the state budget needs to be balanced and cuts have to be made but not at the expense of the lives of the less-fortunate.