Part of Arizona, embarrassed by the rest of the state, would like to secede (Phoenix: military, bill)

[Pancho Zarape]

What an incredibly laughable idea which comes from a bunch of pouty liberals who refuse to accept who and what the majority of people in Arizona wanted back in November, 2010. This thread has been done before and continues to be just more liberal temper tantrum. Enough.

[shiphead]

Originally Posted by AzDreamer

Find me one state that doesn't have a county or region that wants to be independent. Washington state has it's East vs West. California has North vs South.

Exactly. Sacramento has no sense of reality when it comes to California and southern California feels the effects of it. I've never been to DC, but i hear the communities around it are slums. It's the same everywhere. I'm sure Houston and Dallas feel the same.

[zenkonami]

Originally Posted by Annie Metal

False. Back it up with proof.

California's cities are quite evenly split between conservative and liberal.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf

California propositions: Proposition 8, county-by-county map, margin of victory - latimes.com

Rural California, however, tends to lean to the right.

[zenkonami]

Originally Posted by JAinAZ

Having the Federal Government be the largest two employers in a state would be a VERY scary thing to anyone who understands economics.

Please explain and educate.

[ckzona]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

They don't need to secede; they just need to wait. PHX will always dominate, but the political differences will diminish as the growing Hispanic influence pushes out the historic LDS families and the east valley Republicans who dominate the state now. Both Phoenix and Tucson will be "blue" in 20 years. It'll be the small towns like Safford that want to quit.

This is exactly what I don't want to see. You will also see in 20 years that tucson and phoenix are a dirty rotting ghetto and its white people who get racially profiled.

[Lucidus]

Originally Posted by psulions2007

Likely because the majority of people in Baja Arizona were there way before the vast majority of people in Maricopa County.

So what? It would still be much more easy to just move than to try (and fail) to create a new state.

[Boompa]

Tucson, Tombstone,Bisbee has always been a Democratic haven going back to the Civil War. Wyatt Earp couldn't get elected Cochise county Sherrif as a Republican. Phoenix was a village until Air conditioning and since the bubble burst and those millions of baby boomers aren't coming, it will soon be one again. Who will fill up Surprise, Sun City, and the other senior enclaves as Arpaios base dies off?

We never had anything in common

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by Boompa

Tucson, Tombstone,Bisbee has always been a Democratic haven going back to the Civil War. Wyatt Earp couldn't get elected Cochise county Sherrif as a Republican. Phoenix was a village until Air conditioning and since the bubble burst and those millions of baby boomers aren't coming, it will soon be one again. Who will fill up Surprise, Sun City, and the other senior enclaves as Arpaios base dies off?

We never had anything in common

Democratic back then (post-civil war) did not mean liberal like it does now. The Republicans once stood for civil rights. Actually all of AZ was Democrat until the Johnson era when the tables began turning and the Republicans became the defenders of the status quo with respect to race relations and other social issues. The remainder of your post re Phoenix losing population is fanciful inasmuch as it flies in the face of reality.

[JAinAZ]

Originally Posted by zenkonami

Please explain and educate.

So, you think it is a good idea for a would-be brand new state to base it's economic future on the Federal Government as the largest employer in that new state? What happens when political winds change and Border Patrol lays off half the workforce in the area? Or when the air base or Ft Huachuca are on the chopping block and get closed or downsized? Do you really want your state dependent on the federal budget process? I have seen what happened to Rome, NY when Griffis Air Base closed down. Not pretty. Now picture if an entire state was relying on the revenue brought in by that base instead of one small city.

A state needs companies making products in order to have a robust economy. Service jobs and government jobs only go so far, and do not make a good economic base. A thriving economy will have those types of jobs, and they are needed, but not as the majority of the jobs in a state (that is what I was replying to in the first place).

Now, if "Baha Arizona" really wants to have a chance, the people behind this "movement" should be courting companies, encouraging them to relocate here; thinking that the new state would be stable based only on the number of government jobs in the area is naive at best.

Luckily, as has been stated here several times, this whole "movement" will be going nowhere fast. Hopefully I have explained my opinion satisfactorily enough.

[ckzona]

I don't see why people get so hyped up about these topics. This will never happen. And if anything i would imagine the rest of the state is embaressed by this part of the state because the illegal immigration has gotten to such a disgusting level.