should I move family to UK (Miami: loan, how much, schools)

[emeritus]

Cyanna,

Although what was written by you was some time ago, I feel compelled to respond. I must say that your post is very misleading. It is a shame that people write such outlandishly false information and then some others come along and read it and belive it to be the truth. You have obviously had a bad experience in the UK and are over-exaggerating beyond belief. Your post reads like a stand up comedy routine.

As an English lady married to an American who has lived in the North-East and South East of England, France, Connecticut, Oregon, Tucson and soon to be Austin, TX and travelled to many places in between, I can honestly say that everywhere is different. There are good places and places that are not so good. Good people and people that are not so good.

The education system can be marvellous in the UK but it all depends on where you live. This can be said for many countries. The NHS Health System has been very good to me and my family and those I know and I have never paid a penny, as opposed to the $1000 we pay monthly as a family in the US. By the way, Health Professionals definitely do wash their hands! What absolute rubbish and how very petty!!!

As for the Islamic propaganda you are spreading, why doesn't everyone just try to get along? What a novel concept! Try to think of yourself and others as a human being. Try not to lable everyone just because they are different from you. Be more accepting of all people from all socio-economic and religious backgrounds and they will be more accepting of you. Speak to more people and maybe you might learn a few things.

My US husband spent several years working in London and met many good friends that he keeps in touch with. We go back at least once a year and he makes friends wherever he goes. Just a nice guy, I suppose.

Whilst living in the UK he did not experience anti-American sentiment at all. People judged him on an individual basis, not on a stereotypical, media or politically driven basis. The people that pre-judge just do not think things through properly. Terrible shame.

To the original poster, it is good advice to spend a little time in England to get the feel for the place again and to spend quality time with your family. The weather is not extreme, the housing is expensive but university costs for quality higher education are very cheap in comparison to the US and as we know, universal healthcare is free for everyone. Both countries are fabulous in their own ways and which country is for you is of course a personal choice. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[Cyanna]

Originally Posted by emeritus

Cyanna,



The education system can be marvellous in the UK but it all depends on where you live. This can be said for many countries. The NHS Health System has been very good to me and my family and those I know and I have never paid a penny, as opposed to the $1000 we pay monthly as a family in the US. By the way, Health Professionals definitely do wash their hands! What absolute rubbish and how very petty!!!

As for the Islamic propaganda you are spreading, why doesn't everyone just try to get along? What a novel concept! Try to think of yourself and others as a human being. Try not to lable everyone just because they are different from you. Be more accepting of all people from all socio-economic and religious backgrounds and they will be more accepting of you. Speak to more people and maybe you might learn a few things.

My US husband spent several years working in London and met many good friends that he keeps in touch with. We go back at least once a year and he makes friends wherever he goes. Just a nice guy, I suppose.

Whilst living in the UK he did not experience anti-American sentiment at all. People judged him on an individual basis, not on a stereotypical, media or politically driven basis. The people that pre-judge just do not think things through properly. Terrible shame.

How wonderful for you that your experiences were so lovely. I am tempted to ask you what your financial standing is. Yes, if someone who lives in the UK earns (or inherits) a lot of money they can have a very nice life here, with the best health care, safe homes and excellent schools.

As for your statements that my claims about the standard of health care is rubbish, I beg to differ, as would my husband, his entire family and personal friends of ours. Of course, I must remember that you have not been present with me during my visits to the hospital A&E, so your lack of knowledge about my own experiences can be forgiven. As I stated before, the doctors and nurses DO NOT wear gloves or wash their hands properly. The NHS cannot afford the cost of sterile gloves. Nurses are no longer allowed to use alcohol swabs before inserting a needle to take blood or give a shot. The NHS cannot afford the cost of alcohol swab pads. No longer do women get the courtesy of a sterilized speculum when having a pelvic exam done, nor are the nurses allowed to use lubricant. Now, speculums are just washed in soapy water and put back into the drawer until the next woman comes in for her exam. The NHS cannot afford to have speculums sterilized and then sealed in sterile plastic packaging. The NHS also cannot afford the cost of lubricant. Women in hospital who find that they suddenly need a sanitary pad will not be given one unless they have money with them to pay for it. The NHS cannot afford to provide sanitary pads.

Now, each and every one of the substandard practices I have mentioned are things I have experienced PERSONALLY. These have occured at two different hospitals, an emergency walk-in clinic and at two doctor's surgeries. Shall I go on? What about the man "down south" who was recently given a colonoscopy with a previously used, feces covered colonoscope? When he questoned the doctor about this he was told "that you have far more germs in your colon than this instrument has on it." I could go on and on. Every single person I know in this country, from North to South, has at least two horror stories to tell about NHS health care. I have no reason to lie, nor would I be so terrified at the thought of going to hospital here if these accounts were not true. If the NHS care is so good here why the hell am I so looking forward to PAYING for health insurance once we get back to the States? Only an idiot would do that if they were getting excellent health care for free in another country.

The NHS dentists are no better. I have been involved in a lawsuit against my former NHS dentist for the last 3 years. He made such a mess of my teeth (all of my upper teeth, most of the bottom ones) that it is going to cost the equivalent of $42,000 to repair them. The expert in London who examined my dental work said that it is one of the worst cases of substandard work he has ever seen. This man has been an expert witness in other countries as well, including the United States, Canada, France and South Africa. He is considered one of the best dental surgeons and experts in the world.

This leaves us with one of two conclusions...it is just a coincidence that I happen to end up being treated by the worst doctors, nurses and dentists in the UK, or, there is indeed a real problem with NHS health care in the UK.

As I've stated in a previous post, I never had a problem with getting on with Muslims, Mexicans or other immigrants in the United States. In the UK it is a very different story. Why don't you visit the London Times website and read the breaking news over the past two or three days, where they discuss in depth the current problems with Islamists who are teaching other Muslims to NOT talk to "westerners" and not to integrate with them.

[Anarchy]

I had to reposed to this as I do agree with a lot of what Cyanna says as its true and I have lived in the UK all my life all 24yrs of it IMO the UK SUCKS its in the gutter or at best its getting there, I wouldn't say to anyone don't move to the UK but I would advise them to visit first I cant say how many times I have come across people who want out of the UK once moved here from another country but once here its not so easy to move out.

Muslims must be the most accepted people take universities as an example they are equipped with prayer rooms for males and females and foot baths, brand new mosques are popping up all over the place around my area they are being built in areas where no Muslims live id say as many mosques as there are churches around here its a complete joke.

My ex is a nurse and she used to tell me that the doctors were the worse culprits for not washing their hands and at times the facilities were not up to scratch, she is also fed up with the state of the NHS and is in the process of moving to the US to be a nurse and she will be on more money as the nurses here are well underrated for all the crap they have to put up with and the 55hr weeks they have to do many times. As for not paying a penny to the NHS its around 8% of your paycheck that goes to the NHS.

[Cyanna]

Originally Posted by Anarchy

I had to reposed to this as I do agree with a lot of what Cyanna says as its true and I have lived in the UK all my life all 24yrs of it IMO the UK SUCKS its in the gutter or at best its getting there, I wouldn't say to anyone don't move to the UK but I would advise them to visit first I cant say how many times I have come across people who want out of the UK once moved here from another country but once here its not so easy to move out.

Muslims must be the most accepted people take universities as an example they are equipped with prayer rooms for males and females and foot baths, brand new mosques are popping up all over the place around my area they are being built in areas where no Muslims live id say as many mosques as there are churches around here its a complete joke.

My ex is a nurse and she used to tell me that the doctors were the worse culprits for not washing their hands and at times the facilities were not up to scratch, she is also fed up with the state of the NHS and is in the process of moving to the US to be a nurse and she will be on more money as the nurses here are well underrated for all the crap they have to put up with and the 55hr weeks they have to do many times. As for not paying a penny to the NHS its around 8% of your paycheck that goes to the NHS.

Thank you, Anarchy! There is nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality. I am both American and British now as I hold dual citizenship. But some people have to stop defending things that have indeed been a long-standing problem in the UK.

Has your ex ever seen the conditions in the care homes for pensioners and Alzheimer's patients? Its absolutely disgusting! I am trained and licensed in the States in Alzheimers Care Management and NEVER did I see such filthy conditions in American care facilities for the vulnerable elderly. I will not work in a care facility in this country since I am morally opposed to the extreme substandard conditions. Too many unexplained and unacceptable deaths have been occuring in these places.

[Cyanna]

For anyone considering a move to the UK, please read these informative articles first. They are from a wide range of newspapers, medical sources and personal accounts throughout the UK...

Ambulance worker mentions lack of nurses wearing gloves:
BBC - Radio 1 - News - Are our hospitals too dirty?

Doctor not wearing gloves to draw blood:
icStafford - Worried daughter slams 'dirty' wards

Dirty hospitals must clean up, says Brown | Politics | The Observer

Patient who overcame leukaemia killed by a dirty hospital shower - Times Online

Superbug claims 49 lives in top hospitals | UK News | The Observer

BBC - BBC THREE - Mischief

No quick fix for dirty hands in UK hospitals:study

Consumer group uncovers hospital caterers' dirty secrets | Health | SocietyGuardian.co.uk

Ummah News Links

NetDoctor.co.uk - Daily news

MRSA and hospitals

This one is a very good source, which are comments made by those who LIVE in the UK about the substandard cleanliness of UK hospitals.
Yahoo! UK News Message Boards - MRSA

BBC News | HEALTH | Dirty hospitals 'named and shamed'

The Sun Online - News: Muslims 'refuse anti-MRSA gel'

http://www.healthcarecommission.org....s/04021935.pdf

'Dirty Dentist Cleaned Ears With Equipment' - UK News Headlines

Doctors who don't wash hands kill more people than drink drivers | the Daily Mail

Patients should tell doctors to wash their hands - Telegraph

Thousands of hospital staff fail to wash hands correctly - Telegraph

UK hospitals lagging behind all other European countries in cleanliness, except for Romania:
Hospitals must be taken to the cleaners | Camilla Cavendish - Times Online

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[Anarchy]

Originally Posted by Cyanna

Thank you, Anarchy! There is nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality. I am both American and British now as I hold dual citizenship. But some people have to stop defending things that have indeed been a long-standing problem in the UK.

I am also proud of being British and it seems that a lot of British are fed up now and many I know are sick of life in the UK and with how things are but as the British way is to moan/whine and not actually do anything about it nothing is going to change soon and only get worse there is too many do gooders here which is why the criminal system is why it is and many getting off.

[Anarchy]

Originally Posted by Cyanna

Has your ex ever seen the conditions in the care homes for pensioners and Alzheimer's patients? Its absolutely disgusting! I am trained and licensed in the States in Alzheimers Care Management and NEVER did I see such filthy conditions in American care facilities for the vulnerable elderly. I will not work in a care facility in this country since I am morally opposed to the extreme substandard conditions. Too many unexplained and unacceptable deaths have been occuring in these places.

No I don't think she has but I have heard how bad these places are in areas it was on the news the other week because an old woman died as she was so frail but she was neglected basically.

[Anna Maria]

Originally Posted by Cyanna

Hello Cianna from sunny dubai, why dont u try here, 0 crime, good schools although they are private and you have to pay, good healthcare although you gotta pay and dentists who will put braces on everyone to earn a few dollars

How wonderful for you that your experiences were so lovely. I am tempted to ask you what your financial standing is. Yes, if someone who lives in the UK earns (or inherits) a lot of money they can have a very nice life here, with the best health care, safe homes and excellent schools.

Cianna thats not true, my brother lives in Northwood, Middlesex, about 40 mins from London, has got a lovely house, with mortgage, his kids go to a great little school and there is very little crime, he is a regular londoner with average salary so you dont need to be super rich or inherit money you just need to live in the right place just like the states, for example i wouldnt live in Harelm or some parts of miami, scary!!!! But i know that is not how all of the US is!

,

As for your statements that my claims about the standard of health care is rubbish, I beg to differ, as would my husband, his entire family and personal friends of ours. Of course, I must remember that you have not been present with me during my visits to the hospital A&E, so your lack of knowledge about my own experiences can be forgiven. As I stated before, the doctors and nurses DO NOT wear gloves or wash their hands properly. The NHS cannot afford the cost of sterile gloves. Nurses are no longer allowed to use alcohol swabs before inserting a needle to take blood or give a shot. The NHS cannot afford the cost of alcohol swab pads. No longer do women get the courtesy of a sterilized speculum when having a pelvic exam done, nor are the nurses allowed to use lubricant. Now, speculums are just washed in soapy water and put back into the drawer until the next woman comes in for her exam. The NHS cannot afford to have speculums sterilized and then sealed in sterile plastic packaging. The NHS also cannot afford the cost of lubricant. Women in hospital who find that they suddenly need a sanitary pad will not be given one unless they have money with them to pay for it. The NHS cannot afford to provide sanitary pads.

I agree Cianna that there are probs with NHS bit at least there is one, a lot of countries have nothing.
I would just say that my brother and his wife had a new child last year and he was seriously ill at birth and underwent open heart surgery when he was 3 months old, my brother said that the doctors and nursing staff were fantastic both medically and emotionally and were just fantastic, my nephew had to spend a total of 6 weeks in hospital in central london and so i imagine they saw alot of comings and goings, in fact they told me that there were loads of arabs there receiving medical care from my part of the world, so the standard of care cant be that bad!
Now, each and every one of the substandard practices I have mentioned are things I have experienced PERSONALLY. These have occured at two different hospitals, an emergency walk-in clinic and at two doctor's surgeries. Shall I go on? What about the man "down south" who was recently given a colonoscopy with a previously used, feces covered colonoscope? When he questoned the doctor about this he was told "that you have far more germs in your colon than this instrument has on it." I could go on and on. Every single person I know in this country, from North to South, has at least two horror stories to tell about NHS health care. I have no reason to lie, nor would I be so terrified at the thought of going to hospital here if these accounts were not true. If the NHS care is so good here why the hell am I so looking forward to PAYING for health insurance once we get back to the States? Only an idiot would do that if they were getting excellent health care for free in another country.

My cousin is also a sister on the ICU at UCH in London and i have never heard her slag the hospital or the system and let me tell you she is vey anal re service and cleanliness, i know her!

The NHS dentists are no better. I have been involved in a lawsuit against my former NHS dentist for the last 3 years. He made such a mess of my teeth (all of my upper teeth, most of the bottom ones) that it is going to cost the equivalent of $42,000 to repair them. The expert in London who examined my dental work said that it is one of the worst cases of substandard work he has ever seen. This man has been an expert witness in other countries as well, including the United States, Canada, France and South Africa. He is considered one of the best dental surgeons and experts in the world.

Cianna i think dentists all over the world are crap and money grabbing little. anyway they are crap here in Dubai too, so i know how you feel

This leaves us with one of two conclusions...it is just a coincidence that I happen to end up being treated by the worst doctors, nurses and dentists in the UK, or, there is indeed a real problem with NHS health care in the UK.

As I've stated in a previous post, I never had a problem with getting on with Muslims, Mexicans or other immigrants in the United States. In the UK it is a very different story. Why don't you visit the London Times website and read the breaking news over the past two or three days, where they discuss in depth the current problems with Islamists who are teaching other Muslims to NOT talk to "westerners" and not to integrate with them.

Take care, Cianna

Anna M

[Anna Maria]

Originally Posted by Cyanna

Hello Cianna,

Thank you, Anarchy! There is nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality. I am both American and British now as I hold dual citizenship. But some people have to stop defending things that have indeed been a long-standing problem in the UK.

I dont think anyone is blindly defending the UK but you have had nothing good to say about the country, oh accept that some of the countryside is nice and that you have made some good friends. and thats fine but as the previous poster said. you are misleading people on this forum that the UK is a hell hole and thats simply not true, i have given you many examples, friends, family etc, you just need to be a little bit fair and say this is your experience of Newcastle



Has your ex ever seen the conditions in the care homes for pensioners and Alzheimer's patients? Its absolutely disgusting! I am trained and licensed in the States in Alzheimers Care Management and NEVER did I see such filthy conditions in American care facilities for the vulnerable elderly. I will not work in a care facility in this country since I am morally opposed to the extreme substandard conditions. Too many unexplained and unacceptable deaths have been occuring in these places.

Now see here i am with you 110 % as i have got a very good friend in London whose father has Alzheimers and he has had to move him, 4 times from each home cos each one is worse than the last

and Cianna , i take my hat off to you that you are an Alzhemers carer, i do really admire people in this profession, my mother has had ALzheimers for 11 years, she got it relatively young. and i know that Alzheimer patients are hard to care for, so power to you. We are very lucky as my mam is in Ireland and the level of care in Ireland for Alzheimers and the old is outstanding so i have absoloutely no worries about her care

Good on you

Take care

[Cyanna]

More links regarding problems in the UK that might be of concern to prospective immigrants to the UK:

UK youths 'among worst in Europe'
BBC NEWS | UK | UK youths 'among worst in Europe'

British adults 'fear youngsters'
BBC NEWS | UK | British adults 'fear youngsters'

UK cancer survival rates are among the worst in Europe
UK cancer survival rates are among the worst in Europe - Times Online

U.K. stroke outcome worst in Europe
ScienceDaily: U.K. stroke outcome worst in Europe

Shamed Again:
'UK shamed again...'

UK 'fails child cancer patients'
UK 'fails child cancer patients' - Worldnews.com

Teen drinking 'remains a worry'
BBC NEWS | Health | Teen drinking 'remains a worry'

British Nursing News:
British Nursing News Online - Search Results for "binge" AND ""

Two faces of British youth in thrall to sinister Muslim sect
Two faces of British youth in thrall to sinister Muslim sect -Times Online

Our followers ‘must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad’
Our followers ‘must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad’ -Times Online

Hardline takeover of British mosques
Hardline takeover of British mosques -Times Online

The homegrown cleric who loathes the British
The homegrown cleric who loathes the British - Times Online