Wiring money back to Mexico (home, travel, job)

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by Bummer

Makes perfect sense to me, azbec!

Since the ILLEGALS are making their money "tax free" . . . why shouldn't someone get their fare share?

Hopefully, the honest taxpayers of this country will receive some of that 20-25%.

I'm all for closing the borders and expelling illegals. But I think that gloating over their mistreatment and exploitation by coyotes, employers, and Western Union in the name of fairness in taxation is pretty thinly disguised bigotry.

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by movin'on

Well, I don't nearly mind supporting illegals like I do this needless and unnecessary war in Iraq. I REALLY have a problem with my tax dollars being spent on this. Let them wire money back. It's to feed their families and to maybe not live in dirt huts.

When was the last time any of you drove through the little shacks in Tijuana? How can you begrudge anyone of food or shelter, in favor of the senseless crap going on overseas? Good Lord, I think some people need to think long and hard. Let them wire the money back. I'll gladly divert my tax dollars to help them. It's the HUMANE thing to do.

I love helping my neighbors, as long as it's not at my and mine's expense. Anyone who uses tax funded social services needs to give something back, not send it to another country whose government corruption is the reason they are flooding across the border.

When our economy is secure and crime decreases, then I'll help them out.

[JeepGirl118]

Originally Posted by sierraAZ

You ARE naive all right! So you think all it takes is a desire to "register"... LOL?!

Blue Grass is not naive - all Blue is saying is in reference to the lack of desire to go through the hoops in the correct and required manner. Blue did not mean to "register" like one registers to vote.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

I'm all for closing the borders and expelling illegals. But I think that gloating over their mistreatment and exploitation by coyotes, employers, and Western Union in the name of fairness in taxation is pretty thinly disguised bigotry.

Sorry, Ponderosa . . . you refer to it as "gloating" and I see it as "pay back"!

The ILLEGALS snub their noses at our Immigration Laws as well as our Border Patrol Agents just coming here. Then they take advantage of our generosity, demand rights and avoid any form of contributing back to our society while sending millions of dollars back to the country that literally rejected them.

If Western Union is able to retrieve a small percentage of the monies scammed from us . . . THAT'S PAY BACK.

[JasonS]

Its very hard to get a visa to come to the usa if your from a 3rd world country.

Tourist visa is only possilbe if your rich.
Work visa you usually need to be in a high end field like doctor,registered nurse etc(mexico might be a little easier to get a work visa for a lower end job,but they drive to and from mexico daily for their job)
Or you can get a marriage/fiancee visa

I have first had knowledge of the fiancee visa and it takes 6-12 months,its a long wait

This was just in responce to why they dont register,im against illegals comming here. but i wish the process to come here legally wasnt so long.

[AzDreamer]

If Western Union is really overcharging for their service and they are making millions doing it, then what's to stop a competitor from moving in and taking their business by offering a better service at a better price?

If you folks would think about this for a minute, you would realize that Western Union's pricing must be ok, or they would be driven out of business.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by AzDreamer

If Western Union is really overcharging for their service and they are making millions doing it, then what's to stop a competitor from moving in and taking their business by offering a better service at a better price?

If you folks would think about this for a minute, you would realize that Western Union's pricing must be ok, or they would be driven out of business.

You are correct, of course. The egregious profits to be made are one of the reasons Bank of America is pandering to illegal aliens by not requiring SSNs for accounts. Still, WU has a big advantage in that it has partnered with Mexican banks who are also rewarded richly for providing key support for illegal immigration. The whole immigration thing is a sleazy deal that profits US and foreign corporations immensely while "we the people" pick up the tab for the downside.

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by JasonS

Its very hard to get a visa to come to the usa if your from a 3rd world country.

Tourist visa is only possilbe if your rich.
Work visa you usually need to be in a high end field like doctor,registered nurse etc(mexico might be a little easier to get a work visa for a lower end job,but they drive to and from mexico daily for their job)
Or you can get a marriage/fiancee visa

I have first had knowledge of the fiancee visa and it takes 6-12 months,its a long wait

This was just in responce to why they dont register,im against illegals comming here. but i wish the process to come here legally wasnt so long.

I've stated in another thread that I'm pro legal immigration...in moderation. If the process to come here legally were very quick and easy, then we'd still have people flooding the border. Change of this sort needs to happen slowly or our economy crashes because it just can't support so many people at once.

[Lakewooder]

We citizens live in fear of transposing a number on our tax returns yet the IRS does nothing to collect from the illegal cash economy..

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

You are correct, of course. The egregious profits to be made are one of the reasons Bank of America is pandering to illegal aliens by not requiring SSNs for accounts. Still, WU has a big advantage in that it has partnered with Mexican banks who are also rewarded richly for providing key support for illegal immigration. The whole immigration thing is a sleazy deal that profits US and foreign corporations immensely while "we the people" pick up the tab for the downside.

Yeah, businesses in general are really taking advantage of the situation and those that say "well I don't care if they take advantage of illegals" are really just shooting themselves in the foot with that attitude.

Before I go any further, let me state here for the record that I have definite mixed feelings about illegal immigration. On the one hand I don't really blame the people for wanting to come here (or even for sneaking in for that matter). If I was in their shoes and as desperate as many of them are, I would probably do the same.

Having said that, clearly too many folks coming in an controlled manner is a recipe for a whole lot of problems. Personally I think the whole argument that they are costing American taxpayers so much money is way overblown. Don't get me wrong, there are costs incurred by them - but there are also benefits to the economy. Americans pay less for virtually everything than they would if the illegal workforce wasn't present - simply because these folks salaries are depressed. In many cases they take jobs that native born Americans won't do. I think on the whole immigrants of any variety (legal or non-legal) tend to be more motivated and harder-working that native-born Americans (who have grown rather "spoiled, fat and lazy" in my opinion).

However, I digress. As I said, I do agree with these folks that even though individually I may sympathize with the immigrants and argue with many of those trying to throw them out, I have to agree that unfettered immigration is not a good thing (in spite of the "overblown" arguments used by those pushing for immigration reform).

So, folks who truly want to shut down illegal immigration need to stop the "I don't care what businesses take advantage of illegal aliens" attitude. Think about it for a minute. As long as businesses continues to make money by taking advantage of these folks, the same businesses are going to fight tooth and nail (with money and lobbyists) to keep the status quo - and why not? After all, it's good business. Business wants a large, cheap labor pool - especially if those folks are afraid or unable to stand up for their rights. You think that situation JUST affects them? Wrong! It affects YOU as well (both for good and bad).

If you REALLY want to stop illegal immigration, stop going after the people and go after the businesses that hire them. Unfortunately money buys influence and big business has lots of money to spread around so it will not be an easy thing to do. Illegal workers are rounded up, deported (only to return again) while the business get a slap on the wrist and then just turn around and hire another batch of them. It's all a game. If you do NOT do anything to seriously hurt the businesses, then nothing will ever change - no matter how many folks you round up and toss over the fence.

Ken