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Old 12-30-2007, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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We hear this hogwash daily from the "lopsided" media, Steve.

However, they never seem to mention how much we, the taxpayers of Arizona, will save with no more illegals.

Bottom line . . . ILLEGALS ARE EXPENSIVE!
Amen to you posting! The problem lies with the liberal media who spin illegal immigration as a means to their own ends! The media "seems" to sidestep the problems of the taxpayers that are paying the tab for the illegals that are enjoying the American social services system and the protection of so-called "Sanctuary cities"!!! Talk about sticking one's head into a horses hindquarters!!!

 
Old 12-31-2007, 12:35 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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What I'm tired of is hospitals and urgent care centers being overcrowded by illegals and all their hordes of kids who aren't insured. Since many illegals won't have any reason to stay, I'm hoping that hospitals will be less crowded, and able to care for more LEGAL citizens who have medical insurance. Hospitals would certainly be more profitable if that would happen!

Pay no attention to the media, or loud mouthed idiots like Salvador Reza. All they want to do is stir trouble. Somehow they have the notion that illegals actually have Constitutional rights and are entitled to government benefits. Typical socialist/liberal mentality.
 
Old 12-31-2007, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Seems to me the article DID say that: "costs of 1.4 billion dollars for education, health care, and law enforcement"

It may be that you disagree with that number of course, but it's inaccurate to say that "they never seem to mention" how much it costs.

Ken
I wasn't making specific reference to this particular article, Ken.

Overall, the lopsided media here seems to conveniently overlook how much the illegals actually cost the taxpayers.
 
Old 12-31-2007, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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I know that there is the law starting in a few days. I am just wondering how all the businesses got away with hiring illegals in the first place. I guess I am wondering if this will effect retail, banking, hospitals, infrastructure, schools ect. or are we talking Ag and construction? We have laws on the books that it seems aren't being followed. Now we have another law. Is this law going to be enforced, or will it be a lot of talk and political games?
 
Old 12-31-2007, 05:09 AM
 
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Default Great!

I for one find the new law to be GREAT! thinning of herd, so to speak.. why not get the price increases out of the way now, because we all know, even with hiring all the illegals big business ALWAYS get greedy, and prices keep going up anyway! At least this way.. Americans who are in need of a job may be able to feed thier family.. and find housing. Progress and growth are things towns and cities utilize to succeed. But if big business continues to fill those jobs with lower paying illegals, what you end up with is a decaying economy for Americans, decaying home prices, more crime and drugs, middle class Americans can't even find a decent home to rent these days. Hospitals-jails-prisons-law enforcement-welfare- and taxes are all ripping at the seems. For now we are still in Indiana.. very small town, country folk, farming. For many many years the farmers and growers have always had Americans working here, long.. long before we were over-run by illegals. Now EVERYWHERE you go, you see illegals working the farms, factories, restaurants. false documentation seems VERY easy to come by.. they busted a mexican grocery store for selling about 200 a month here recently. The crime rate now is crazy.. we NEVER use to have a crime rate! The police are busting them left and right for driving drunk.. they'll hit somebody with thier car, nothing legal! no legal tags, no legal insurance, and your stuck footen the bill, and you never see them again! Americans around here have been doing manual labor jobs and unlike what some may think, they are still willing to do them.. if they could find a job! Everywhere you go, everything you hear, everything you buy at the stores, including groceries has spanish writting splattered all over it! Is anyone else tired of all this,, or is just me?
Our hospitals, 911 call center, police, and all other government offices have ALL had to hire spanish speaking workers now.. gee wonder where they came from? Our once nice little CLEAN American town is no-more.. our American apple pie, county fair, howdy neighbor country is lost!
 
Old 12-31-2007, 10:59 AM
 
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We live in Oklahoma, which has one of the toughest immigration laws in the country. I have not noticed any terrible things happening since the illegals began leaving the state. There are several states that are pondering some tough immigration laws now that they are on the receiving end of the immigrant exodus from Oklahoma.

I am confident if we can no longer get lettuce because there are no lettuce pickers that our wonderful Congress will pass some new law to bring some illegals in to harvest crops.

Some farmers in Arizona are getting prisoners to harvest their crops. The prisoners get out of jail for the day and earn money to save for when they are released. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

The show I watched this report on said that some of these workers (women in this case) had never had a "real" job and that they did good work and welcomed the chanced to earn money.

altus2006
 
Old 12-31-2007, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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Some farmers in Arizona are getting prisoners to harvest their crops. The prisoners get out of jail for the day and earn money to save for when they are released. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.
I saw the same story on CNN or CNBC. We have tens of thousands of people in prison, some need max security, others not. Why not put the qualified prisoners to work earning money for their release instead of sitting around all day thinking of ways to f*** up the correction officers and the system? European countries have such programs and it's reduced the cost of the prison systems and reduced the incidences of internal violence. OH I forgot, the bleeding heart liberals might be concerned that this might be "exploitation" of the criminals! These are the same BHL (you know!) that are concerned that executed criminals might feel a "little pain" while being euthanized like the dog that they are!!! WTF!!! Please excuse the language, this is one of my "hot button" issues!
 
Old 12-31-2007, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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I for one find the new law to be GREAT!

Our once nice little CLEAN American town is no-more.. our American apple pie, county fair, howdy neighbor country is lost!
Very valid points, Arizona Bound . . . BEAUTIFULLY STATED.
 
Old 01-01-2008, 10:34 AM
 
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Congrats Arizona.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 07:20 AM
 
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Americans fighting back.. news article link,

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