Arizona economy bracing for immigration crackdown (insurance, landscaping, jobs)

[LordBalfor]

Ria -

A perfect response - but unfortunately one unlikely to get much sympathy from those making the posts.

Ken

[California Yanqui]

Originally Posted by Ria Rhodes

"A friend of ours, who has a very nice home said that a group of them moved into their neighborhood.."

Talk like this sends chills down my spine. You can go to the National Archives and hear lots of old recordings of people talking about "them". The WWII interned Japanese American "them", the African American "them", the Jewish "them" in Europe, etc. etc. etc. We have a problem with people coming to stay in the US who are not legal citizens - but they are still men, women, and children with names and dignity. The extra stress put on our infrastructure and taxes is vexing, no doubt about it, but what would you do if you had very little work, chance to better yourself and your family in your native land? Is it realistic to think we all would patiently wait years and years to get an entry visa if we were poor and without connections? It really is a case of walking in the other person's shoes awhile. We are Americans, we can press our government at all levels to minimize the problems of illegal immigration without demeaning the many people trying to survive and/or better themselves. America has always risen to the occasion to surmount our biggest problems. Please, let's work toward bettering things without dehumanizing people.

I have a problem with someone lumping into a pile different scenarios concerning "them" Equating slavery with the unrestricted flow of people into a country is nothing compared to slavery. The use of the term "nip" during ww2 was from the name of their country "nippon" not dehumanizing. The camps for Japanese internments were not hitlers extermination camps. (I have old family friends that were interned in Manzanar(sp)) We are past ww2 and slavery and now we face a steady, unprecedented time in our history of imported working poor with less then a 4th grade education.

The phrase I liked the best " what would you do" is exactlty what you are seeing the American people do. Standing up and saying enough. It's what we did when we broke away from the monarchy.

Them, they, whatever, have basically stolen money from you, and I, as the government feeds our legally earned money into the welfare state. The majority of illegal aliens are from Mexico, and Central, and South America.
Whatever arguement discribing these people,
either hispanic,mexican,latino,chollo,vato; or lil' pyscho is nothing more then a shell game.

World War two was the biggest global conflict in our history. The world lost over 100 million dead I believe in the ten years that it raged. (not counting the 4 that we engaged in)

I think people are getting a little tired of people wo have no understanding of history trying to create some hysteria by mentioning bygone era's that have been rectified.

What any free man would do, is stand up against the tyranny of their respective nations.

[Arizona Bound]

mexico is very rich country... they push the worst of the worst onto us here in America.. No matter how many you feel we need to help.. there will NEVER be enough money or services for "THEM" without BLEEDING Americans dry!
Anyone who feels we should do more for "THEM" should give every penny they have.. then give more.. then give even more and then look to see if 'THEY" still have thier hands out for more! You bleeding hearts need to wake up.. take a look at California.. over 30% of our prisons are being occupied by illegals who committed serious crimes... maybe when "THEY" do something serious to you or a loved one, or when "THEY" over-run your way of life.. maybe then you bleeding hearts will wke up! They don't want our land.. THEY WANT WHAT WE HAVE.

[Judy P.]

I am sorry if I didn't use the right terms, I met no disrespect at all. I was just just trying to tell what had happened and made a bad choice in phrasing my post. My apologizes. I do however feel if you want to be in this country you should do it legally and pay taxes like the rest of us and live by our laws.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Ria Rhodes

"A friend of ours, who has a very nice home said that a group of them moved into their neighborhood.."

Talk like this sends chills down my spine. You can go to the National Archives and hear lots of old recordings of people talking about "them". The WWII interned Japanese American "them", the African American "them", the Jewish "them" in Europe, etc. etc. etc. We have a problem with people coming to stay in the US who are not legal citizens - but they are still men, women, and children with names and dignity. The extra stress put on our infrastructure and taxes is vexing, no doubt about it, but what would you do if you had very little work, chance to better yourself and your family in your native land? Is it realistic to think we all would patiently wait years and years to get an entry visa if we were poor and without connections? It really is a case of walking in the other person's shoes awhile. We are Americans, we can press our government at all levels to minimize the problems of illegal immigration without demeaning the many people trying to survive and/or better themselves. America has always risen to the occasion to surmount our biggest problems. Please, let's work toward bettering things without dehumanizing people.

Try again.

The illegal immigrants are just that, lawbreakers and they need to be booted out post haste.

All of the other ethnicities you mentioned are/were legally here.

Mexico is not a poor country-------the 'peons' SOB need to demand their rights from the elite.

[Donna7]

Originally Posted by floridasandy

if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

Wait a minute. When this guy (Steve) was trying to be "part of the solution" he got chastised and was practically told to buzz off because he was NOT a resident of AZ. Steve is the guy that actually started this topic and apparently he thought it WAS of importance in order to post.

P.S. - to the person that told Steve to mind his own business and shovel his driveway: The last time I checked AZ was still part of the United States. Maybe that has changed since I last took geography in school. Anything's possible I guess. Also, whatever becomes public policy in one state can easily become public policy in another state and because we ARE all living in the United States of America, we should all be interested in the laws of this country. Thirdly, since many of us relocate from one state to another as we are looking for lifestyle changes, job changes, etc., we ARE interested in what is happening in various states - whether we currently live there or not.

[Donna7]

Originally Posted by Judy P.

I am sorry if I didn't use the right terms, I met no disrespect at all. I was just just trying to tell what had happened and made a bad choice in phrasing my post. My apologizes. I do however feel if you want to be in this country you should do it legally and pay taxes like the rest of us and live by our laws.

Judy, I understand TOTALLY what you are saying. I don't even live in SD or in CA and I understand what you are saying. First off, let me preface my post by saying that our family came to the U.S. legally from Eastern Europe in the late 60's. My grandfather moved to NE OH after WWII after he got released from a concentration camp. The reason he moved to NE OH is because there were plentiful jobs in the manufacturing industry, specifically, rubber shops in the Akron, OH area. Slowly, each of his children started coming here one by one, but had to go through stringent immigration standards that the U.S. had set up and immigration quotas were firmly enforced. We were not allowed to enter the U.S. illegally, we had to wait our turn, had to have sponsors who would vouche for us and those sponsors had to have money in the bank. We received NO services for free; everything was earned by us. My family worked hard physical labor, I started working at a restaurant kitchen when I was 14 years old. I am now 45, am a public accountant and entrepreneur. I don't have anything against people that are hispanic. In addition to knowing English, I also speak my native language, and have taken Spanish and will continue to learn Spanish as I am a business entrepreneur and the ability to communicate is of extreme importance. My beef is not with the hispanic population as a whole, it is with the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION that is occuring from all the countries, not just Mexico. Why is this even allowed to occur? I CANNOT imagine any of us entering other countries illegally and then expecting services from those countries. I'd be surprised if we didn't get kicked out even if we received NO services, yet, the illegal population of this country (again, from whatever country, not just Mexico) seems to think that it's a birthright. AM I WRONG HERE?????

Seriously, Judy, it's really sad. I assume that you're referring to Escondido, CA (when you mentioned SD county) as I read in the North County times about the ordinance of not renting to illegals...I guess it got shot down. I strongly want to relocate to SD county for lifestyle as well as business, but truthfully, I have NO interest in getting into spats with jerk people like that lady that was obknoxious to you. Most of us want to live in peace and harmony with our neighbors; we want to live our lives and be happy. We don't wish to put another person down. But I would venture to say that if we lived in places where it was constantly shoved down your throat and constantly in your face, this whole illegal immigration issue, and the attitude that goes with it, I can see how our attitude might change for the negative. I'm not saying that you have that attitude at all; it's just that each of us has so much that we can take and then we have to leave for places where we're not going to experience that type attitude every day of our life. Really sad what CA is becoming. A once beautiful state, a state where people went to make their dreams come true, is now going downhill. I seriously hope that EVERYONE gets involved and starts enforcing the immigration laws of our country. As good and peaceful as most people are (I firmly believe that) - there comes a breaking point, and I truthfully think we are there right now. We as legal Americans, no matter where our forefathers were from, have to unite and let our nation's leaders know that we love this country, respect this country, and that others need to respect it too. People that break the laws in this country end up in prison; how are lawbreakers in this country, referring to illegals, getting benefits that the legal population does not even receive??? Something is very wrong with this picture. Again, I realize that the benefactors of the illegal population are those that employ them; and not just companies and businesses, but a lot of private people who get their work done for a lot cheaper than if they had to go through traditional channels and pay the prevailing wages, benefits, file taxes, etc. It's the rest of the working peons that get stuck with the bill. This is what this is about; it always is: Money. In addition to the financial burden on Californian taxpayers, there is also the burden on the environment. I really wish you the best Judy as you move to AZ. It's also sad for me and my family because we are looking for a change in geography and lifestyle, but at this point, I don't see the benefits outweighing the negatives. That's why, just like you, we're looking at AZ at this point.


September 7, 2007 -
SAN DIEGO COUNTY TAXPAYERS GET STUCK WITH A $101 MILLION BILL Not only is SD County going to pay for this but so is EVERYONE'S COLLECTIVE FEDERAL dollars.

[TwoSticks]

Originally Posted by Steve Hazzard

The term ... represents the foundation of the ... languages from the root Latin language where much of our present day English originates.

Actually, I believe English is primarily of Germanic origin, although admittedly considerably influenced by Romance languages too.

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by TwoSticks

Actually, I believe English is primarily of Germanic origin, although admittedly considerably influenced by Romance languages too.

Yup.

Ken

[Judy P.]

Donna 7 TYVM for understanding what I was saying!
Yes I am from Escondido. I have lived here since I was 16 and I am now a grandmother (my hubby was born here) and the illegal population has exploded here as I am sure it has in other places. We are soon becoming (as the lady from Mexico told me) the minority.
Our car has been hit not once but twice from an illegal person from Mexico. The first time was a hit and run, but the police found him and he is in jail for that and another warrant he had(if he hadn't had the warrant he would have just been deported) the policeman told me that.The last time the man hit our car that was parked in front of our home, he went through our stucco front yard wall, the neighbors yard, and ended up hitting a brick wall in a professional building next to our neighbors house. He was sent to the hospital, and then deported back to Mexico. I am sure like thousands of other illegals deported back to Mexico he will be back. That seems to be the way with most crimes here, the illegal people from Mexico get deported and then end up coming back again with no punishment for their crimes unless it is something really serious.
It just seems to me that it is a win win situation for the illegal people coming from Mexico. The illegal people get to use our services tax free and if the illegal people get into trouble they are deported or they run back to Mexico only to return again and again.