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Public schools themselves are the problem, and we can't keep throwing money at the problem because that solves nothing, and ends up being even more of a costly burden. The solution is to turn the schools over to the private sector, and have the parents with kids in the schools flip the bill. Education should be run like a business ... but the way it is now with the government running it, it's the same old story: costly, inefficient, and poor results in the end. Also, teachers who are currently in the public sector would do better to find work in the private schools because they generally pay better.
Seriously???? Look at how schools are run in top performing states like Minnesota, Colorado, Massachusetts and Vermont and tell me the entire system is flawed. Hell, look overseas at Switzerland, Germany or New Zealand. They have some of the best publically funded schools in the world. The system is only flawed in states where education is not considered a priority and where the government is draining the funds. Forcing parents to pay for education is un-American. All children should have access to a quality education regardless of their families financial status. If all the teachers are working in private schools (which there are not enough positions to staff all of them), who will teach the millions of children in public schools?
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Why does AZ even need universities? Lot's of kids go out of state, why not all? Put that money into k-12. Besides they don't need a degree to flip burgers. (sarcasam emoticon goes here)
All the news talks about is budget cuts. Where is the money being spent? Certainly not on the roads.
All the news talks about is budget cuts. Where is the money being spent? Certainly not on the roads.
Aside from a few rare Phoenix surface street small potholes, I find the roads in AZ to be excellent. Scottsdale has impeccable roads and the 51 and Loop 101 here are in pristine shape. Even the highway leading up to your parts was in fantastic condition a couple years back. Never had any issue with the AZ portion of 1-10 heading to Tucson or I-8 west to Yuma.
From what I've seen, roads are something Arizona does WELL compared to most other states. I don't see a lot of litter, either, which is nice.
Maybe things look different in Mohave County for you but no complaints here.
Seriously???? Look at how schools are run in top performing states like Minnesota, Colorado, Massachusetts and Vermont and tell me the entire system is flawed. Hell, look overseas at Switzerland, Germany or New Zealand. They have some of the best publically funded schools in the world. The system is only flawed in states where education is not considered a priority and where the government is draining the funds. Forcing parents to pay for education is un-American. All children should have access to a quality education regardless of their families financial status. If all the teachers are working in private schools (which there are not enough positions to staff all of them), who will teach the millions of children in public schools?
Yes, seriously. It doesn't matter how much public funding is put into education ... it is still a costly burden to taxpayers, especially to those who don't have children. As a whole, private schools consistently out perform even some of the best public schools, and have much better disciplnary standards, and higher graduation rates. Also, there have been studies showing that students who attend private school are more likely than public school students to earn a bachelor’s degree or higher.
Forcing parents to pay for education is a capitalistic idea, which is part of the "pay for what you use" notion, and that is about as American as you can get. Forcing the entire public to fund education is socialist, which is un American. The way I see it, people who cannot afford every aspect of a child's upbringing on their own shouldn't be having children in the first place. Even so, if parents somehow can't afford private school, they can always obtain loans (just like many of them do for their children's college education, so what's the difference?). If that's not obtainable, home schooling is known to be effective as well ... more so than any public school. I personally know some people who were home schooled as children, and they are very well rounded, intelligent, and successful as adults.
So I think this should answer your last question about teachers in private schools. If we privatize the system, there would be no need for teachers to work in public schools because they would be employed in the private sector. Teachers are generally paid higher in the private school system, and are generally more content in their jobs because the burden of teachers' unions and federal/state governing boards are lessened. Also, teachers are happier when their students are actually learning and produce results, which is much more common in private schools vs. public schools.
Arizona has some of the worst public schools ... yet on the other hand, Arizona also has some of the better private schools. At this point, it's a matter of what parents really think is best for their kids. If they want to ensure their children are getting the best education possible, they would willingly fork out the extra money and send them to private school. If they don't give a care, and simply want a place to send their kids away for half a day (and use it basically as free day care), then they'll choose the public option.
Thank you Valley Native, you said everything I wanted to say but better. Public schools are a nightmare across this entire country and giving them more money won't fix anything.
Yes, seriously. It doesn't matter how much public funding is put into education ... it is still a costly burden to taxpayers, especially to those who don't have children. As a whole, private schools consistently out perform even some of the best public schools, and have much better disciplnary standards, and higher graduation rates. Also, there have been studies showing that students who attend private school are more likely than public school students to earn a bachelor’s degree or higher.
Forcing parents to pay for education is a capitalistic idea, which is part of the "pay for what you use" notion, and that is about as American as you can get. Forcing the entire public to fund education is socialist, which is un American. The way I see it, people who cannot afford every aspect of a child's upbringing on their own shouldn't be having children in the first place. Even so, if parents somehow can't afford private school, they can always obtain loans (just like many of them do for their children's college education, so what's the difference?). If that's not obtainable, home schooling is known to be effective as well ... more so than any public school. I personally know some people who were home schooled as children, and they are very well rounded, intelligent, and successful as adults.
So I think this should answer your last question about teachers in private schools. If we privatize the system, there would be no need for teachers to work in public schools because they would be employed in the private sector. Teachers are generally paid higher in the private school system, and are generally more content in their jobs because the burden of teachers' unions and federal/state governing boards are lessened. Also, teachers are happier when their students are actually learning and produce results, which is much more common in private schools vs. public schools.
Arizona has some of the worst public schools ... yet on the other hand, Arizona also has some of the better private schools. At this point, it's a matter of what parents really think is best for their kids. If they want to ensure their children are getting the best education possible, they would willingly fork out the extra money and send them to private school. If they don't give a care, and simply want a place to send their kids away for half a day (and use it basically as free day care), then they'll choose the public option.
That is completely ridiculous! America is NOT the land of the privileged. It is the land of equal opportunity. People come here from all over the world, because the American dream applies to everyone, not just those with money, and achievement and success start with education, which every single American child has the right to gain.
And you know why someone like you who doesn't have kids should care about other children's education?? Because one day someone else's kid is going to be your doctor, your nurse, your lawyer, your dentist, your mechanic, your plumber, your accountant, your pilot, your local business owner, your local police officer, fire fighter, and EMT, your mayor, your governor, your president. All those jobs and more require advanced training which must be built upon a strong k-12 education foundation. Just because you don't personally have a child doesn't mean you don't have a need for and benefit from an educated society.
Parents of children in public schools funded in high performing states are very happy with the school system and the education their children are receiving. And BTW, countries with the best education systems and best outcomes have FREE k-12 education for ALL children and have low cost or even FREE higher education. Norway even offers free college to people from different countries. You can say socialism like it's a dirty word, but you and every other American have no doubt benefited from social programs and practices whether you care to admit it or not.
This is what happens when you Keep voting in the Republicans.
Funny watching everyone fleeing Dem strongholds (ie Detroit, Chicago, Newark) only to flee to AZ and bring their troubles here to the Valley.
You wanna vote in Democrats and have PHX end up like Chicago? Be my guest. I fled that cesspool. You havent the slightest clue what happens when braindead zombie citizens vote in Democrats. PHX is a shining beacon in comparison to Chicago.
Aside from a few rare Phoenix surface street small potholes, I find the roads in AZ to be excellent. Scottsdale has impeccable roads and the 51 and Loop 101 here are in pristine shape. Even the highway leading up to your parts was in fantastic condition a couple years back. Never had any issue with the AZ portion of 1-10 heading to Tucson or I-8 west to Yuma.
From what I've seen, roads are something Arizona does WELL compared to most other states. I don't see a lot of litter, either, which is nice.
Maybe things look different in Mohave County for you but no complaints here.
Ride the side streets around Scottsdale, they can be pretty crappy. Granted the 51 and the 101 are close to perfect, but roads like Shea are garbage. They finally started fixing Shea last year, but they have a long way to go. I ride bikes on the side streets, and Im constanty dodging potholes and giant cracks. And while we might have it good in Scottsdale, take a drive around Phoenix sometime. The roads are particularly atrocious around downtown.
You wanna vote in Democrats and have PHX end up like Chicago? Be my guest. I fled that cesspool. You havent the slightest clue what happens when braindead zombie citizens vote in Democrats. PHX is a shining beacon in comparison to Chicago.
Two of the three top US states by GDP are run by Democrats (List of U.S. states by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Even in the aftermath of the California mortgage crisis, Texas still did not eclipse California as the largest GDP. Texans boast, but they could do a lot better.
We moved to Chicago from Arizona twenty years ago, and the job market is still better here in Chicago. The Phoenix job market is poor for six-figure salaries in comparison to Chicago. If it were not, we would be living in Phoenix. I didn't want to move. Arizonans boast, but they could do a lot better, too.
Yes, seriously. It doesn't matter how much public funding is put into education ... it is still a costly burden to taxpayers, especially to those who don't have children. As a whole, private schools consistently out perform even some of the best public schools, and have much better disciplnary standards, and higher graduation rates. Also, there have been studies showing that students who attend private school are more likely than public school students to earn a bachelor’s degree or higher.
Forcing parents to pay for education is a capitalistic idea, which is part of the "pay for what you use" notion, and that is about as American as you can get. Forcing the entire public to fund education is socialist, which is un American. The way I see it, people who cannot afford every aspect of a child's upbringing on their own shouldn't be having children in the first place. Even so, if parents somehow can't afford private school, they can always obtain loans (just like many of them do for their children's college education, so what's the difference?). If that's not obtainable, home schooling is known to be effective as well ... more so than any public school. I personally know some people who were home schooled as children, and they are very well rounded, intelligent, and successful as adults.
So I think this should answer your last question about teachers in private schools. If we privatize the system, there would be no need for teachers to work in public schools because they would be employed in the private sector. Teachers are generally paid higher in the private school system, and are generally more content in their jobs because the burden of teachers' unions and federal/state governing boards are lessened. Also, teachers are happier when their students are actually learning and produce results, which is much more common in private schools vs. public schools.
Arizona has some of the worst public schools ... yet on the other hand, Arizona also has some of the better private schools. At this point, it's a matter of what parents really think is best for their kids. If they want to ensure their children are getting the best education possible, they would willingly fork out the extra money and send them to private school. If they don't give a care, and simply want a place to send their kids away for half a day (and use it basically as free day care), then they'll choose the public option.
Agree 1000%!!!
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Funny watching everyone fleeing Dem strongholds (ie Detroit, Chicago, Newark) only to flee to AZ and bring their troubles here to the Valley.
You wanna vote in Democrats and have PHX end up like Chicago? Be my guest. I fled that cesspool. You havent the slightest clue what happens when braindead zombie citizens vote in Democrats. PHX is a shining beacon in comparison to Chicago.
I've been biting my tongue since yesterday on this one. Like yourself I've lived it first hand here in Ma too. Total mismanagement of funds and deficits in the billions! I'm sick of paying for this through higher taxes and ridiculous "fees". Property taxes and the COL is much cheaper in Az where you should be able to send your kids to a private school and still come out ahead. I'm all for kids having a good education but if you want them to have a better one, then it's up to you to pay for it,not everyone else.
We do have some of the best schools here in Ma but what's happening now is with the new high school being built (70 Million) and the 15 year tax assessment everyone got hit with, many long time residents can't afford to live here anymore. People are moving in just for the school system then moving away once the kids are out putting the tax burden on all us long time residents.
Chicago's public schools on Wednesday forecast a record $1 billion fiscal 2014 budget deficit despite layoffs of 1,000 teachers and the expected closing of 50 schools, prompting one credit agency to downgrade its debt rating.
Chicago schools said in a statement that it would slash administrative costs and tap financial reserves to help balance the 2014 budget, forecast to total $5.6 billion.
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I'm sick of paying for this through higher taxes and ridiculous "fees". Property taxes and the COL is much cheaper in Az where you should be able to send your kids to a private school and still come out ahead. I'm all for kids having a good education but if you want them to have a better one, then it's up to you to pay for it,not everyone else.
