How does Mccain get elected based on his immigration views? (Tucson: bankrupt, wages)

[Route_66_traveler]

I can sum it up in two words!! ... George Soros............

This explains the McCain - Kennedy connection and other things. In my opinion, George Soros works for the devil, the destruction of morals, and the destruction of what's left of our country. Further, I think this description is overly kind. Do a Google search for George Soros - look at the quotes - ponder the material, and make your own opinion. PLEASE, don't pay any attention at all to my opinion on this matter. ALL of us need to be informed individually on things like this.

With his support of Obama, Clinton, and McCain he is insuring that he has all his bases covered. He is going to get what he wants one way or another.

To all appearances, Mike Huckabee has nothing to do with George Soros. In fact he has publicly chastised those that do and has put Soros down for his stance on things. One of things he has made a comment about on Hillary Clinton was how she refused to open up her mouth in support for General Petraeus because she was to busy with her lips on Soros' back side.

I realize that there are no perfect candidates, but Huckabee is the only one right now who I can vote for in good conscience. This has been a wild and insane time in terms of what MONEY has obviously BOUGHT and where BIG MONEY wants this country to go. At this point, I feel led to continue supporting Huckabee.

Two other thoughts have crossed my mind that won't have any influence on how I vote at all. 1) Our country might not deserve a Godly leader. Overall, as a nation, it would be a sad thing if we got what we deserved. 2) GOD'S Chosen Leader for this specific time might be one who helps to user in the Tribulation Period. I know that GOD'S Will be done!, and it Will Be!! As for my part, I plan to pray, pray some more, and yield to GOD'S Will.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by yumadons

Exactly, Dangerous Dave. I have never voted Democratic but I will this year because an Obillery win is our best shot at stopping illegal immigration. When Obillery pushes amnesty, Congressional Republicans will be free to fight against it, joined by a few Democrats who've had an earful from their constituents. I hope Republican voters will figure this one out instead of closing ranks behind McCain.

At his town hall meeting here in Yuma, McCain opened the discussion on illegal immigration by saying "it's all about the demographics." i.e. he's no "maverick" standing up for his principals, unpopular as they may be. It's all about Hispanic VOTES for John McCain for president. That's it. I hope he reaps what he sews. Let him get the whole Hispanic vote - and none from conservative Republicans. No way he wins without us - a demographic he chooses to ignore.

As to why Arizonans keep voting for McCain, the sad truth is 90% aren't involved enough to know what's going on. They hear that McCain is leading "comprehensive immigration reform" and think he's working to stop us from being overrun. Ask 10 people on the street and most will say illegal immigration needs to stop and they need to go home. It's only the few of us following this issue closely who realize that "comprehensive immigration reform" is a buzzword for amnesty.

As you and DangerousDave stated.

And; I am one unhappy Republican albeit a moderate one.

As for the 'Hispanic' vote; many of them are just as angry (if not more so) against the illegal immigrants and their enablers as us 'Anglo' Americans.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Route_66_traveler

I can sum it up in two words!! ... George Soros............

This explains the McCain - Kennedy connection and other things. In my opinion, George Soros works for the devil, the destruction of morals, and the destruction of what's left of our country. Further, I think this description is overly kind. Do a Google search for George Soros - look at the quotes - ponder the material, and make your own opinion. PLEASE, don't pay any attention at all to my opinion on this matter. ALL of us need to be informed individually on things like this.

With his support of Obama, Clinton, and McCain he is insuring that he has all his bases covered. He is going to get what he wants one way or another.

To all appearances, Mike Huckabee has nothing to do with George Soros. In fact he has publicly chastised those that do and has put Soros down for his stance on things. One of things he has made a comment about on Hillary Clinton was how she refused to open up her mouth in support for General Petraeus because she was to busy with her lips on Soros' back side.

I realize that there are no perfect candidates, but Huckabee is the only one right now who I can vote for in good conscience. This has been a wild and insane time in terms of what MONEY has obviously BOUGHT and where BIG MONEY wants this country to go. At this point, I feel led to continue supporting Huckabee.

Two other thoughts have crossed my mind that won't have any influence on how I vote at all. 1) Our country might not deserve a Godly leader. Overall, as a nation, it would be a sad thing if we got what we deserved. 2) GOD'S Chosen Leader for this specific time might be one who helps to user in the Tribulation Period. I know that GOD'S Will be done!, and it Will Be!! As for my part, I plan to pray, pray some more, and yield to GOD'S Will.

I am definitely secular; but, you may be onto something here..........

[yumadons]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

As for the 'Hispanic' vote; many of them are just as angry (if not more so) against the illegal immigrants and their enablers as us 'Anglo' Americans.

Yes they are. You should have seen McCain blow off one guy who stood up and tried to explain to him that an illegal who gets to wait here in this country for citizenship is not "going to the back of the line." Here it's taking this guy years to bring in his sister the right way and McCain tries to tell him that illegals will be in line BEHIND her. Sure the illegal goes to the "back of the line" for CITIZENSHIP. Meanwhile, he gets to stay here under some other kind of status - keeping a U.S. job, using U.S. healthcare, kids attending U.S. schools.

McCain similarly chastised a nurse from our hospital who stood up and asked why we can't stabilize injured illegals and then send them back. The Straight Talker completely turned her words around, saying, "You don't really want to just let them die, do you?" Of course a ticked-off "YES!!" from the audience went up at that point. McCain had his butt chewed for a solid 2 hours here in Yuma and never once considered anything that was said to him, much of it from his military buds. You'll notice that every time he's asked why we have to let them all stay, his response is that he's not going to tell some Marine that his mother is being deported. This guy is a weasel interested in one thing - VOTES!!

[Dangerous Dave]

Originally Posted by yumadons

You'll notice that every time he's asked why we have to let them all stay, his response is that he's not going to tell some Marine that his mother is being deported. This guy is a weasel interested in one thing - VOTES!!

That's his new red herring. McCain seems to now think that every illegal alien has a son in the military.

I'll offer this. We'll let every illegal with a kid in the military stay, and deport the rest!

The left uses the same MO when you talk about gays in the military that they don't serve in. Every homosexual in the military is an Arabic linguist. Just ask a liberal. And we're throwing them out for being gay.

Uh huh. Actually, under "don't ask don't tell", you can be a full on gay guy wearing daisy dukes and talking with a lisp and nobody can do a thing. You have to want to get out if you are gay.

Anyhow, I'm changing the subject. Sorry.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Sorry to say this, but Bush is more of a centrist than Clinton was. Bush is fairly liberal, and McCain will be a continuation of the Bush/neocon legacy if he is elected.

I never said Bush was a right winger, although he does sometimes pander to the so called religious right. He is definitely a fiscal liberal ... certainly not the traditional conservative who favors less government and reduced spending. In fact, the size of the federal government has grown substantially under his reign. He believes in tax cuts, but not cuts in federal spending where it is really needed. Bush never was an effective leader, and I sensed this even back in 2000 when he ran the first time ... which is why I voted for Buchanan in 2000 and Badnarik in 2004.

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Even when republicans ran the white house and congress, we couldn't tell the difference from the 90's. Spending was even higher, and the federal government was just as intrusive as it was during the Clinton years.

You got that right ... although I think the government has become more intrusive under the Republicans. Again, this is contrary to what a true conservative should be. Granted, 9/11/01 had a lot to do with it ... but the Patriot Act (as an example) has increased interference & inconvenience in the lives of average American citizens, and has accomplished very little other than that.

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Sandy, if McCain is indeed the nominee, and a Democrat wins the general, we conservatives will be able to blame a Democrat. If McCain wins the presidency, we can expect pretty much the same as if Hillary or Obama were in the White House, but the Republican party would be to blame.

This is where I don't understand your reasoning. It almost sounds like you want to see Obama or Hillary Clinton be elected just so you can have someone to blame. Quite frankly, I'm fed up with both sides slinging the mud and blaming each other.

I'm a Libertarian, although I still tend to favor conservatives over liberals. McCain has disappointed me in some cases, but as it stands now, I will be voting for him because it's a matter of choosing the best (or better) candidate. Many Republican seats in Congress will be vacated this year, and a good share of those seats could easily be taken over by Dems. If we get a Democrat for President, and further control of the House & Senate by Dems, America will certainly be on the road to full fledged socialism, which is pretty frightening! McCain as President would be the best bet to keep somewhat of a balance of power ... so the smart thing for Republicans to do this year is support him and quit whining about his voting record!

[Dangerous Dave]

Valley Native,
If McCain wins, he will likely not win a second term and put the Republican party into the wilderness for at least a decade. Hillary or Obama will remind us of what the Demo party is, get voted out in four years, and give the Republican party the advantage for years to come.

Additionally, a vote for the Demo nominee is a vote for a second "angry white male" takeover in 2010. They will have a hostile congress for their second two years. ALso, teh republicans currently there after this next election will actually put up a fight instead of rubberstamping everything McCain wants, which will be fairly liberal anyway.

[ArizonaBear]

And; if McCain gets Condi Rice as VP----------that could make things very interesting for either winner of the Democratic primary

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Valley Native,
If McCain wins, he will likely not win a second term and put the Republican party into the wilderness for at least a decade.

I think that GW as ALREADY put the Republican party in that position.

Ken

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

I think that GW as ALREADY put the Republican party in that position.

Ken

Unfortunately; you are correct........