How does Mccain get elected based on his immigration views? (Yuma: military, travel)

[Dangerous Dave]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Narrow minded??? One reason McCain gained popularity was the majority of registered Republicans are fed up with the way the far right wingnuts have taken over the party with THEIR narrow minded views on social issues. In their minds, if you're pro choice, unmarried, not against gays, and not Christian, you can't be a Republican. I've seen a few such postings in the Politics forum by right wingers who think that way.

The GOP is facing a lot of backlash right now because of way the mainstream conservatives have pandered to the so called "religious right" ... the same way the Democrats faced backlash in the '80s & early '90s because they allowed their party to move too far to the left. Bill Clinton ran as a moderate in 1992 and won because he wasn't an extreme liberal. Now, a more centrist Republican nominee is needed at this point, and McCain is the man!

Sorry to say this, but Bush is more of a centrist than Clinton was. Bush is fairly liberal, and McCain will be a continuation of the Bush/neocon legacy if he is elected.

The republican party is lacking wingnuts. It's currently run by neocons who would rather see a loony liberal in office (like Kerry, Edwards or Clinton) than a real conservative like Pat Buchanan or Duncan Hunter.

Even when republicans ran the white house and congress, we couldn't tell the difference from the 90's. Spending was even higher, and the federal government was just as intrusive as it was during the Clinton years.

McCain and Bush are both big spending, big government republicans that will be the end of the party. Conservatives will be staying home this fall, so Hillary or Obama will be handed an easy victory. Hopefully the Repub party gets the message.

Secure the borders. Stop the spending. And quit letting the libs, even when they're in the minority, run the country.

[Ponderosa]

I would never vote for McCain. I'd take any of the other Reps instead of him. As a father of a young girl who understands how they struggle with self image, I can't forget his remarks, to wit:
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In 1998, Salon.com criticized the mainstream media for not directly quoting an off-color joke made by Sen. John McCain at a Republican fundraiser, in which he ridiculed Chelsea (who was a teenager at the time) by saying, "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno".
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I hope this little joke gets plenty of airtime this fall so people know where McCain's heart really is. What kind of senator/president insults a kid? McCain is a loose cannon, a hothead, and an embarrassment to this state in my book. With luck, after he loses to Obama or Clinton, he'll take his carpetbagging tail back where he came from.

[MotleyCrew]

That is beyond cruel. Our oldest daughter also suffered from body image issues and developed a life threatening eating disorder. It took us years to get her beyond that point. I wish your young daughter well Ponderosa.

[ArizonaBear]

As I have opined on in the past: I rank John McCain on the same level as Jane Fonda----------taht is how much I dislike the man.

More and more: it is looking like Hillary or (preferably for me) Obama will get my vote come November.

[floridasandy]

if you think mccain is bad on immigration (which he certainly is) how could you even consider obama? he has the pro immigration position and the most liberal voting record in congress. unfortunately, there are really no moderate candidate choices. this is definitely going to be a tough decision for a lot of us.

[Dangerous Dave]

Originally Posted by floridasandy

if you think mccain is bad on immigration (which he certainly is) how could you even consider obama? he has the pro immigration position and the most liberal voting record in congress. unfortunately, there are really no moderate candidate choices. this is definitely going to be a tough decision for a lot of us.

Sandy, if McCain is indeed the nominee, and a Democrat wins the general, we conservatives will be able to blame a Democrat. If McCain wins the presidency, we can expect pretty much the same as if Hillary or Obama were in the White House, but the Republican party would be to blame.

Besides, a Republican president expects a certain amount of party loyalty from Congress, and generally gets it (this is how Bush has managed to spend like a drunken sailor. My apologies to my drunken sailor friends). At least if the president is a democrat, the republicans in congress won't be a rubber stamp and may actually stand up and be heard. If they are half as harsh as the Demos in congress are and were while in the minority, Obillery won't be able to cause too much damage.

The only thing the country should fear is Obillery's court nominees. However, if the Repubs in the senate are half as obstructionist as the Demos were and are with Bush's nominees, we could avoid another Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Hopefully.

[yumadons]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

. At least if the president is a democrat, the republicans in congress won't be a rubber stamp and may actually stand up and be heard. If they are half as harsh as the Demos in congress are and were while in the minority, Obillery won't be able to cause too much damage.
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Exactly, Dangerous Dave. I have never voted Democratic but I will this year because an Obillery win is our best shot at stopping illegal immigration. When Obillery pushes amnesty, Congressional Republicans will be free to fight against it, joined by a few Democrats who've had an earful from their constituents. I hope Republican voters will figure this one out instead of closing ranks behind McCain.

At his town hall meeting here in Yuma, McCain opened the discussion on illegal immigration by saying "it's all about the demographics." i.e. he's no "maverick" standing up for his principals, unpopular as they may be. It's all about Hispanic VOTES for John McCain for president. That's it. I hope he reaps what he sews. Let him get the whole Hispanic vote - and none from conservative Republicans. No way he wins without us - a demographic he chooses to ignore.

As to why Arizonans keep voting for McCain, the sad truth is 90% aren't involved enough to know what's going on. They hear that McCain is leading "comprehensive immigration reform" and think he's working to stop us from being overrun. Ask 10 people on the street and most will say illegal immigration needs to stop and they need to go home. It's only the few of us following this issue closely who realize that "comprehensive immigration reform" is a buzzword for amnesty.

[pegleg smith]

Don't you wish there was a "None of the above" box on your ballot?

[Muhnay]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

I would never vote for McCain. I'd take any of the other Reps instead of him. As a father of a young girl who understands how they struggle with self image, I can't forget his remarks, to wit:
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In 1998, Salon.com criticized the mainstream media for not directly quoting an off-color joke made by Sen. John McCain at a Republican fundraiser, in which he ridiculed Chelsea (who was a teenager at the time) by saying, "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno".
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I hope this little joke gets plenty of airtime this fall so people know where McCain's heart really is. What kind of senator/president insults a kid? McCain is a loose cannon, a hothead, and an embarrassment to this state in my book. With luck, after he loses to Obama or Clinton, he'll take his carpetbagging tail back where he came from.

This is a flat out lie. McCain never said this. Check your facts.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

This is a flat out lie. McCain never said this. Check your facts.

No it is not a lie. His remarks can be hard to accept because most people think he is a very decent guy. Nevertheless, the statement was made. It was widely reported in the press but rarely quoted as it was considered too disgusting, but it was quoted directly in the Arizona Republic (go figure) and was talked about on local news programs. McCain subsequently apologized for the insult. Delude yourself if you wish, but those ARE the facts. You can verify them with minimal research.