Prop 205 to Legalize Recreational Marijuana in Arizona (NOV 2016) (Ajo: lawsuits, move)

[jimj]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

What don't we know? Marijuana is older than we are and has been smoked for centuries.

You're casting it as some hard drug, it's not. Moreover, the issue is criminalizing growing a PLANT!

Same with Coca,Opium,peyote,Kaht etc etc etc. How about those?

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by jimj

Same with Coca,Opium,peyote,Kaht etc etc etc. How about those?

I'm gonna level with you, it's none of my business if people use those, punitive measures haven't prevented their use. It's not my place to use my moral judgment to render them illegal and penalize people for them.

Peyote is used on reservations to this day for religious purposes, Coca is used in teas across the Andes. Opium is already legal in pill form.

[jimj]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

I'm gonna level with you, it's none of my business if people use those, punitive measures haven't prevented their use. It's not my place to use my moral judgment to render them illegal and penalize people for them.

Peyote is used on reservations to this day for religious purposes, Coca is used in teas across the Andes. Opium is already legal in pill form.

So at what point does anything become "your business"? Speed laws obviously don't work as people still rampantly speed so should we drop speed limit fines/laws? I'm not being facetious, I wonder at what point a line is drawn or is there one?

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by jimj

So at what point does anything become "your business"? Speed laws obviously don't work as people still rampantly speed so should we drop speed limit fines/laws? I'm not being facetious, I wonder at what point a line is drawn or is there one?

A consensual activity that doesn't harm other people should be legal. I've said that before. Studies have shown that lower freeway speed limits actually increase the danger of freeways. The autobahn is one of the safest highways in the world. But if you're speeding and injure somebody that's a problem.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by jimj

So at what point does anything become "your business"? Speed laws obviously don't work as people still rampantly speed so should we drop speed limit fines/laws? I'm not being facetious, I wonder at what point a line is drawn or is there one?

Drug use is a victimless crime, where reckless driving can very easily harm others. Let your puritanical beliefs go already

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by jimj

So at what point does anything become "your business"? Speed laws obviously don't work as people still rampantly speed so should we drop speed limit fines/laws? I'm not being facetious, I wonder at what point a line is drawn or is there one?

So only the government can find "winner herbs" and discern from "loser herbs"? As in tobacco vs. marijuana? And tobacco is ok from age 16 but marijuana not ok from age 21? Since when are Arizona conservatives now for big government and bureaucracy when it comes to herbs? And can we have more government winners as in better safety nets, more worker protections, mandatory pension plans for all employees etc.? Let's not stop with the "winner herbs" please.

[jimj]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Drug use is a victimless crime, where reckless driving can very easily harm others. Let your puritanical beliefs go already

Is it really though? I would highly suggest you need to look into that idea further, maybe ask the family members of drug abusers or the victims of violence due to drug usage/sales... Remember, we KNOW for a FACT (using CO as the example) that black market sales/grows will not go away.

[jimj]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

So only the government can find "winner herbs" and discern from "loser herbs"? As in tobacco vs. marijuana? And tobacco is ok from age 16 but marijuana not ok from age 21? Since when are Arizona conservatives now for big government and bureaucracy when it comes to herbs? And can we have more government winners as in better safety nets, more worker protections, mandatory pension plans for all employees etc.? Let's not stop with the "winner herbs" please.

First off, tobacco age is 18 and now 21 in some places. As for the rest, well, I think I've made it pretty clear in prior posts that more information is needed before legalization occurs. We know what we don't know yet.
I'm beginning to wonder why some are so hell bent on making it legal RIGHT NOW? Maybe it's because the visions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ are dancing in their heads?

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by jimj

Is it really though? I would highly suggest you need to look into that idea further, maybe ask the family members of drug abusers or the victims of violence due to drug usage/sales... Remember, we KNOW for a FACT (using CO as the example) that black market sales/grows will not go away.

Actually, one, legally sold drugs will be cheaper than illicit drug sales, the huge reason that illegal drugs are so expensive is due to risk, if that risk is gone, the price drops, and if someone has the choice to go to a creepy street dealer or to say a Walgreens to get there drugs, most will choose the Walgreens.

And two, you could make the same argument about alcohol and alcoholics, do you want to make alcohol illegal again as well? Look how well that worked out (cough) Al Capone (cough) Arnold Rothstein (cough) Lucky Luciano (cough)(cough)

Stop living among the morality legislating puritans already

[jimj]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Actually, one, legally sold drugs will be cheaper than illicit drug sales, the huge reason that illegal drugs are so expensive is due to risk, if that risk is gone, the price drops, and if someone has the choice to go to a creepy street dealer or to say a Walgreens to get there drugs, most will choose the Walgreens.

And two, you could make the same argument about alcohol and alcoholics, do you want to make alcohol illegal again as well? Look how well that worked out (cough) Al Capone (cough) Arnold Rothstein (cough) Lucky Luciano (cough)(cough)

Stop living among the morality legislating puritans already

As for your first argument, your conclusion is flawed as shown in CO. People will in fact go to black market dealers BECAUSE (as you clearly state) it's cheaper, WAYYYY cheaper. Now there will be those who are willing to spend the bucks to go to the potmarts, kind of like those that are willing to pay $200 for a bottle of wine that may or may not be better than the $10 or even $5 bottles but there will be a large group that will be happy going to "Walmart" and pay $3 so the black market will remain alive and well and so will all the problems associated with it.

Using your own analogy concerning Alcohol, why the hell would we want to add another problem to the mix? Just because you want to get stoned and damn the consequences both known and the unintended? Especially when we KNOW some of the issues that are not addressed in the current legislation.
That's just pure selfishness in my opinion.

I won't even bother to address your insults as they are probably just drug induced lashing out.