12-15-2016, 04:16 PM
Location: Hard aground in the Sonoran Desert
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asufan
I think he made his point pretty clearly. He agrees with the custom of tipping, but also understands that he is in control of how much the server receives depending on what the level of service merits.
He has no problem with tipping since it is a "tradition" but is "not very generous" in his tipping even though the "tradition" is to be generous.
That is like me saying, I agree with paying employees a fair living wage but I'm not very generous and only pay them minimum wage because that is all they are worth.
12-15-2016, 05:13 PM
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LBTRS
He has no problem with tipping since it is a "tradition" but is "not very generous" in his tipping even though the "tradition" is to be generous.
That is like me saying, I agree with paying employees a fair living wage but I'm not very generous and only pay them minimum wage because that is all they are worth.
No, it's not like that at all.
12-20-2016, 03:45 PM
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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LBTRS
So, you have no problem with tipping and see no reason to change due to it being a long held tradition? Then, in the next sentence you state you are not a generous tipper and feel leaving two or three pennies for poor service is appropriate.
If "tips" are in fact supplementing wages as has been said in this thread and from the service industry in general then you should not be leaving no tip (or next to none) even for poor service. You should adjust your tip between the "traditional" 10% - 20% depending on the service.
It sounds to me like you do have a problem with tipping. Or, you have no problem with it as long as you don't have to be generous.
Let me clarify. I don't go out to eat very often but when I do, I don't whip out my smartphone and calculate the exact percentage of my tip. I have read many posts here that lead me to believe that some do and make sure it is 20+%. Usually, I just round up to the nearest five on my CC receipt, unless of course that is less than a couple dollars. I should also point out that I mostly go out alone and eat at little mom and pop restaurants, real Americana so my bill isn't real big. Like I said, I don't whip out my calculator, I mentally know it is at least 10% and who knows? Maybe sometimes it is more than 20%. Most times my 'generosity' is also based upon what I can afford at the time.
The two or three cents thing is left over from the days when I used to carry around cash much more than I do these days.
12-20-2016, 03:58 PM
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Calculating 20% without using a calculator is something most school children can do. It's really pretty simple to ensure that you leave an adequate tip for adequate service.
12-21-2016, 04:21 AM
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DetroitN8V
Calculating 20% without using a calculator is something most school children can do. It's really pretty simple to ensure that you leave an adequate tip for adequate service.
Agreed ^^.
As a public service announcement , here is what we all do. If the bill is $23.50, I simply move the decimal place over one place to the left or $2.35. That's 10%. Now, we double it or $4.70 which is 20%.
If the service was good, I give them $5. If it is so-so service, then I pay $4 for a tip. TADA!
In case anyone accuses me of taking out my smartphone, I didn't.
This was taught in a prepubescent math class. But evidently a lot of folks struggle with TIP calculations. Therefore some restaurants list off the TIP calculation for 15%, 18%, 20% and 22% amounts. Not so much in the mom and pop places... But unfortunately, that cheat
still makes the math challenged patrons add two things to get to the grand total. During the next C-D math class, I'll cover how to calculate two digit addition problems using the carrying technique. Plus, we will cover how
not to get stuck with a check while dining with your alligator-arm relatives.
12-22-2016, 11:55 AM
Location: East Central Phoenix
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The minimum wage should have no impact on tipping. I base my tips on the quality of service, not how much a person's wages are. If I'm at a restaurant and the server is friendly, attentive, courteous, and timely, I will live a decent sized gratuity. If the server is rude, inattentive, slow, or unfriendly, the gratuity will much less. I always leave some kind of gratuity, but I have actually left nickel & dime tips to servers who fit the rude/slow category. I figure it sends more of a message than leaving no tip at all.
12-22-2016, 12:26 PM
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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The minimum wage should have no impact on tipping. I base my tips on the quality of service, not how much a person's wages are. If I'm at a restaurant and the server is friendly, attentive, courteous, and timely, I will live a decent sized gratuity. If the server is rude, inattentive, slow, or unfriendly, the gratuity will much less. I always leave some kind of gratuity, but I have actually left nickel & dime tips to servers who fit the rude/slow category. I figure it sends more of a message than leaving no tip at all.
Somebody gets it. And thanks for the elementary lesson in mathematics you other two. I don't know what I would have done without it.
12-22-2016, 12:29 PM
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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The minimum wage should have no impact on tipping. I base my tips on the quality of service, not how much a person's wages are. If I'm at a restaurant and the server is friendly, attentive, courteous, and timely, I will live a decent sized gratuity. If the server is rude, inattentive, slow, or unfriendly, the gratuity will much less. I always leave some kind of gratuity, but I have actually left nickel & dime tips to servers who fit the rude/slow category. I figure it sends more of a message than leaving no tip at all.
Then I'm guessing you're in favor of raising the minimum wage of tipped workers to match the state-set minimum wage for all other workers?
12-22-2016, 12:58 PM
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teddyearp
Somebody gets it. And thanks for
the elementary lesson in mathematics you other two. I don't know what I would have done without it.
You're very welcome! It was prompted by your suggestion that smartphones are needed to calculate percentages. Not sure why smartphones or calculators would be necessary at all.
12-26-2016, 10:56 AM
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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DetroitN8V
You're very welcome! It was prompted by your suggestion that smartphones are needed to calculate percentages. Not sure why smartphones or calculators would be necessary at all.
Read what I posted again. I didn't mean to suggest that smartphone were
needed , I only assumed that they were used.
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Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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If the service was good, I give them $5. If it is so-so service, then I pay $4 for a tip. TADA! 
This was taught in a prepubescent math class. But evidently a lot of folks struggle with TIP calculations. Therefore some restaurants list off the TIP calculation for 15%, 18%, 20% and 22% amounts. Not so much in the mom and pop places... But unfortunately, that cheat still makes the math challenged patrons add two things to get to the grand total. During the next C-D math class, I'll cover how to calculate two digit addition problems using the carrying technique. Plus, we will cover how not to get stuck with a check while dining with your alligator-arm relatives.
