Self-Driving Uber Car Kills Arizona Pedestrian (Phoenix: violent crime, felony, dangerous)

[hikernut]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Your argument is a red herring. The driver’s criminal record had no bearing on this situation.

That is true. But for Uber specifically I wonder if the end might be near. They have a reputation of ignoring the law and their trustworthieness is in question.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

This video is utterly Damning to the UBER system. It also settles that the NY Times diagram was correct.

Again Utterly Damning.

they simply blew the most obvious predictable problem. I personally find it hard to believe.

I would not let Uber back on the road again until they explain in detail how they fixed this.

the driver is merely another example of why Google went to no steering wheel or peddles. Riding in such a vehicle will simply numb the driver until they are unable to maintain awareness. Fact of life.

You would have been able to react in time?

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by hikernut

That is true. But for Uber specifically I wonder if the end might be near. They have a reputation of ignoring the law and their trustworthieness is in question.

Because a homeless lady stepped in front of a moving car in the dark? People will stop using them because of this? I highly doubt it. I took one last night and it was smooth sailing as always.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

You would have been able to react in time?

Irrelevant. I doubt it but we will never know. The Google finding was clear. Anyone riding any significant time in one of these will fail to maintain concentration. They considered it so broadly spread as to be inevitable.

And the real damning message is the AV missed an absolutely clean and obvious target. Something terribly wrong. This is not a kid jumping out between cars. This is an absolutely unmissable target in view for seconds with no response. I would opine it just could not happen...but it did.

Shut UBER down until they have a verifiable fix.

[hikernut]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Because a homeless lady stepped in front of a moving car in the dark? People will stop using them because of this? I highly doubt it. I took one last night and it was smooth sailing as always.

The issue is trust, and they already had a problem in that department.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

Irrelevant. I doubt it but we will never know. The Google finding was clear. Anyone riding any significant time in one of these will fail to maintain concentration. They considered it so broadly spread as to be inevitable.

And the real damning message is the AV missed an absolutely clean and obvious target. Something terribly wrong. This is not a kid jumping out between cars. This is an absolutely unmissable target in view for seconds with no response. I would opine it just could not happen...but it did.

Shut UBER down until they have a verifiable fix.

They’ve already halted the driverless vehicles do you can relax. It’s absolutley relevant if a human would have been able to react. In this case there’s no way that they could have so the driverless vehicle is still at least as safe as a manned one. What you’re upset about is that it may not have been safer than a human in this case.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by hikernut

The issue is trust, and they already had a problem in that department.

How is the company any less trustworthy as a result of this incident?

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

They’ve already halted the driverless vehicles do you can relax. It’s absolutley relevant if a human would have been able to react. In this case there’s no way that they could have so the driverless vehicle is still at least as safe as a manned one. What you’re upset about is that it may not have been safer than a human in this case.

Utter garbage. This is the classical case where the performance of the AV is demonstrated and they failed totally. And the failure is virtually unbelievable. There is just no way the LIDAR and RADAR could have missed this target. Something is terribly wrong.

What I am upset about is that it apparently failed to brake on the most obvious and easy target.

Again the failure is unthinkable. What it says is the system does not work at all.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

Utter garbage. This is the classical case where the performance of the AV is demonstrated and they failed totally. And the failure is virtually unbelievable. There is just no way the LIDAR and RADAR could have missed this target. Something is terribly wrong.

What I am upset about is that it apparently failed to brake on the most obvious and easy target.

Again the failure is unthinkable. What it says is the system does not work at all.

The woman would be dead whether it was a driverless vehicle or one with a human in control. Nothing is 100%. It was the perfect storm and a lack of common sense was the ultimate failure.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

The woman would be dead whether it was a driverless vehicle or one with a human in control. Nothing is 100%. It was the perfect storm and a lack of common sense was the ultimate failure.

They are running a test that can and has killed people. And the way it failed indicates their system does not work even on the simplest and easiest of cases.

The performance of the human is par for the course. Google well demonstrated that the human backup is not workable. This instance merely shows that is true.

And it was not even a 1% storm. It was a outcome that if it had worked correctly would have been met with derision...of course it worked!! easiest case imaginable..