Arizona Retirement

[bigdogmom13]

Originally Posted by rah62

If she's that worried about being able to work without the nanny state helping her, I suggest she stay in California.

Rah. It's not about "the nanny state". It's about patient safety. It's about nurse burnout (and yes, many jobs are prone to burnout, but many RN's feel that being a nurse is not a job, it's a calling.) Higher burnout = higher turnover = higher costs to the hospital for training new staff or to hire temps/travelers; THAT gets passed on to us the consumers.

And no, I'm not a nurse. I'm a respiratory therapist and I'm proud to work alongside some awesome nurses, many of whom I consider friends.

[LJS1993]

Originally Posted by rah62

If she's that worried about being able to work without the nanny state helping her, I suggest she stay in California.

So again what capacity do you or have you worked within the health care system around the country?

[TooManyChoices]

Originally Posted by LJS1993

So again what capacity do you or have you worked within the health care system around the country?

Perhaps it wasn't stated as well as it could have been, but the underlying issue is those who believe that the 'state' needs to interject never ending control over peoples lives and how business is done vs. those who believe that 'state' power needs to be limited.

The thought process that the state should either legislate or administratively control patient nurse ratios is the same thought process that has driven tons of other controls over peoples lives, causing places like California to become bastions of idiocy.

So, the thought process is that people leave these control states with their high taxes and other regulations to go to greener pastures (well, not that Arizona is greener) but bring their big brother attitudes with them (sometimes in not so obvious ways - perhaps the government regulating the patient nurse ratio is one of them).

[Adamson865]

Originally Posted by TooManyChoices

Perhaps it wasn't stated as well as it could have been, but the underlying issue is those who believe that the 'state' needs to interject never ending control over peoples lives and how business is done vs. those who believe that 'state' power needs to be limited.

The thought process that the state should either legislate or administratively control patient nurse ratios is the same thought process that has driven tons of other controls over peoples lives, causing places like California to become bastions of idiocy.

So, the thought process is that people leave these control states with their high taxes and other regulations to go to greener pastures (well, not that Arizona is greener) but bring their big brother attitudes with them (sometimes in not so obvious ways - perhaps the government regulating the patient nurse ratio is one of them).

Thank you for that. I get so angry, as a card carrying Libertarian of over 30 years standing, when people decide they want to move to another state because it has low taxes but they bring their big-government mindset with them and start voting in ways that those low taxes that attracted them will be gone in no time.

As to the person I had to place on ignore: in no way, shape or form will I ever be able or willing discuss my employment record (or anything remotely pertaining to it such as job titles) on an internet forum with perfect strangers when there's no way of knowing who who could be reading.

[fluffythewondercat]

Originally Posted by TooManyChoices

The thought process that the state should either legislate or administratively control patient nurse ratios is the same thought process that has driven tons of other controls over peoples lives, causing places like California to become bastions of idiocy.

I have to say I admire people who can coin phrases like "bastions of idiocy." It's so true.


rah62, good for you for standing up to the bullying tactics.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by TooManyChoices

Perhaps it wasn't stated as well as it could have been, but the underlying issue is those who believe that the 'state' needs to interject never ending control over peoples lives and how business is done vs. those who believe that 'state' power needs to be limited.

The thought process that the state should either legislate or administratively control patient nurse ratios is the same thought process that has driven tons of other controls over peoples lives, causing places like California to become bastions of idiocy.

So, the thought process is that people leave these control states with their high taxes and other regulations to go to greener pastures (well, not that Arizona is greener) but bring their big brother attitudes with them (sometimes in not so obvious ways - perhaps the government regulating the patient nurse ratio is one of them).

Well, if for-profit hospitals were more concerned about true quality patient care, those "bastions of idiocy" states wouldn't have to pass patient/caregiver ratios.

[Adamson865]

Originally Posted by yukon

Well, if for-profit hospitals were more concerned about true quality patient care, those "bastions of idiocy" states wouldn't have to pass patient/caregiver ratios.

So following your logic, mandated ratios shouldn't then apply to non-profit hospitals? Because that's most definitely not the case.

[TooManyChoices]

Originally Posted by yukon

Well, if for-profit hospitals were more concerned about true quality patient care, those "bastions of idiocy" states wouldn't have to pass patient/caregiver ratios.

Your post makes my case, although I would bet you don't realize it. In places like California, each of those never ending rules and regulations were done for some reason. The end result is an overwhelming burden. My point was that people from those states leave them because of what happens as a result of the government burden on the people, yet bring with them the thought process that causes it, for example "Well, if ....states wouldn't have to....".

[LJS1993]

Originally Posted by satyendra.singh

+ = It's not like California. It is different
- = You might have some issue coping with the climate

I love the desert climate and landscape!!! BRING IT!!!