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Old 11-02-2018, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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NV was more yellow Libertarian in the past than currently especially with Vegas being a big influence on state politics.

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Nevada has never been a red state.

Too much sin to be thumping bibles
Nevada has really been an "odd bird" politically throughout its life.

It was founded as a Northern state during the Civil War. "Battle born" is its motto.

It's history is complicated. It has Mormon roots, but was always seen as Utah's "un-wholesome sister" (gambling, prostitution, alcohol).

Nevada Democrats of old were very, very libertarian with a populist bent (think: Pat McCarran) and were often more "conservative" than most Republicans.

The unionized miners, unionized casino labor and other trades always gave the Democratic Party in the state a leg up. Because of this, many Mormons who aspired to be in politics ran as Democrats.

With the rapid growth of Las Vegas and Reno, the balance of power shifted from rural areas, mining and ranchers, to urban areas and resorts.

The focus in Nevada is now on getting their education system fixed and better access to health care. Neither of those issues have ever been ones that Republicans have done well on. This is the reason why Nevada is drifting to the left. Nothing to do with Californians.

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Old 11-02-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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CO on the other hand was more like AZ currently during the 80s.
In the 1980s, Colorado politics was controlled by ranchers, the right-wing Family Research Council, the Coors family, and the CEOs of mining corporations.

The population on the Front Range is a lot more educated than it used to be and their priorities are different now, which is why the shift to the left. Again, nothing to do with Californians.
 
Old 11-02-2018, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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In the 1980s, Colorado politics was controlled by ranchers, the right-wing Family Research Council, the Coors family, and the CEOs of mining corporations.

The population on the Front Range is a lot more educated than it used to be and their priorities are different now, which is why the shift to the left. Again, nothing to do with Californians.
The people with different priorities again are not originally from the Front Range, they bought them along from their former blue states (not just CA) and diluted the local culture. That's why it changed, they don't assimilate. I know this because I used to live there. It's happening everywhere throughout the country. Democrats only like diversity except when it comes to politics.
 
Old 11-03-2018, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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The people with different priorities again are not originally from the Front Range, they bought them along from their former blue states (not just CA) and diluted the local culture. That's why it changed, they don't assimilate. I know this because I used to live there. It's happening everywhere throughout the country. Democrats only like diversity except when it comes to politics.
It's not that they "don't assimilate", it's that they're educated. Once you're educated, you cannot "un-educate" yourself, and most people wouldn't want to even if they could.

When you become educated, you evolve to a different level of thinking and you see the world differently. I've known people who were uneducated until they hit their 40s, in many cases, and when they came out of school, they had world views which were diametrically opposed to the ones they began with.

Colorado wanted these kind of people, and, they came!
 
Old 11-03-2018, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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It's not that they "don't assimilate", it's that they're educated. Once you're educated, you cannot "un-educate" yourself, and most people wouldn't want to even if they could.

When you become educated, you evolve to a different level of thinking and you see the world differently. I've known people who were uneducated until they hit their 40s, in many cases, and when they came out of school, they had world views which were diametrically opposed to the ones they began with.

Colorado wanted these kind of people, and, they came!
Being educated can be subjective, if you're a party pawn that can't research the political issues from both sides of the political spectrum then it's clearly not, that's indoctrinated. Somebody can have a Master degree or multiple Bachelor's degrees, it still doesn't mean squat if you're not informed.
 
Old 11-03-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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Being educated can be subjective, if you're a party pawn that can't research the political issues from both sides of the political spectrum then it's clearly not, that's indoctrinated. Somebody can have a Master degree or multiple Bachelor's degrees, it still doesn't mean squat if you're not informed.
And what does being informed consist of? Lambasting Californians?
 
Old 11-03-2018, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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And what does being informed consist of? Lambasting Californians?
Sure, why not? You guys call the other side 'deplorables', 'xenophobes', 'misogynists', yet they love censorship on Facebook, YouTube and social media because it doesn't fall in line with their agenda. That's how they keep the masses indoctrinated. It all goes back to why McSally and Sinema are neck and neck and not a large gap.
 
Old 11-03-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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Sure, why not? You guys call the other side 'deplorables', 'xenophobes', 'misogynists', yet they love censorship on Facebook, YouTube and social media because it doesn't fall in line with their agenda. That's how they keep the masses indoctrinated. It all goes back to why McSally and Sinema are neck and neck and not a large gap.
It’s close because Sinema is running as a moderate and McSally is running possibly one of the worst campaigns out there next to David Garcia. If it were Goddard or any other perennial loser against somebody who knows what they’re doing it wouldn’t be close at all.

I also don’t know how I’m “you guys.”
 
Old 11-03-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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It’s close because Sinema is running as a moderate and McSally is running possibly one of the worst campaigns out there next to David Garcia. If it were Goddard or any other perennial loser against somebody who knows what they’re doing it wouldn’t be close at all.

I also don’t know how I’m “you guys.”
Look, McSally doesn't campaign for crap I will admit. I've watched her rally with the President and she's not charismatic. She doesn't cover a lot of positives of her accomplishments besides being the first female Air Force fighter pilot and a triathlon athlete. That's great but besides the point.

Sinema is not a moderate, even if she has supposedly migrated to the center. Previous undercover videos have her exposed for who she is.
 
Old 11-03-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Being educated can be subjective, if you're a party pawn that can't research the political issues from both sides of the political spectrum then it's clearly not, that's indoctrinated. Somebody can have a Master degree or multiple Bachelor's degrees, it still doesn't mean squat if you're not informed.
This is very true. I'm college educated with a BA ... however, in my own personal experience, being college educated in most cases means nothing more than meeting the curriculum requirements. I've known some very smart people who simply weren't interested in going to college because they wanted to pursue other choices. In the big picture, college degrees mean very little compared to hard work, acquiring skills, and becoming educated in an informed, motivated type of way. I've learned a hell of a lot more about finances, investments, technology, and life in the real world by actually working in those fields than what college taught me.

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Look, McSally doesn't campaign for crap I will admit. I've watched her rally with the President and she's not charismatic. She doesn't cover a lot of positives of her accomplishments besides being the first female Air Force fighter pilot and a triathlon athlete. That's great but besides the point.

Sinema is not a moderate, even if she has supposedly migrated to the center. Previous undercover videos have her exposed for who she is.
I see Sinema as an attractive woman with the looks and charisma to win anybody over, and this could actually have a way of getting the undecided male vote. I do remember the days when she was ultra liberal, but she has been forced to moderate her views & voting record in order to be more appealing to centrists, swing voters, and even disgruntled Republicans. Admittedly, she has a good campaign, but I was reluctant to vote for her based on her recent past. If she does win and can work with both sides like McCain did, she might not be all that bad.
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