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Old 01-04-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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healthcare is one of the few industries in the world where they dont tell you what their prices are if you ask, and, they charge you based on whether they are going to *********, or your insurance provider..

here again, thank the politicians that we keep re electing...
The bolded statement above is the key factor. Health care should be privately run, and competition is what's needed to keep the prices affordable. Politicians on both sides need to stay the hell out of it. Obamacare has been a disaster, with one major exception, which is the elimination of the pre existing condition clause. Otherwise, the Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable on all levels. The U.S. has moved more toward socialism, and California seems to be leading the way when it comes to ridiculous mandates & regulations on a state level.
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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It' a bad deal for those of us that are subsidizing it for you. You are welcome. Can you send me the difference?
What does this mean "Can you send me the difference?

Here's the thing about medicare, I'm 72 I have worked since I was 17 and have paid a lot of money into SS and Medicare just like most people have so we subsidize it for each other. Medicare part A is free to people who have paid into SS for at least 10 years and available to others if they pay for it. Everyone pays for part B, either with cash (20% of costs plus co-pays and deductibles) or by buying a supplement or signing up for a Medicare advantage plan.
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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The bolded statement above is the key factor. Health care should be privately run, and competition is what's needed to keep the prices affordable. Politicians on both sides need to stay the hell out of it. Obamacare has been a disaster, with one major exception, which is the elimination of the pre existing condition clause. Otherwise, the Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable on all levels. The U.S. has moved more toward socialism, and California seems to be leading the way when it comes to ridiculous mandates & regulations on a state level.
The healthcare market was privately run and prices were going up faster before the ACA than after. The free market will charge you as much as they can and competition in healthcare is an illusion. But the problem is it's not all greed, it's about paying for new technology, treating diseases that were previously untreatable, introducing new and more expensive drugs. You simply can't say that healthcare costs are driven or controlled by one particular event, or that a 'free market' will somehow make healthcare affordable.
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtoo...-forecast.aspx

I'm not going to comment further on this because I don't think it has squat to do with the topic and I don't want to get spanked by a mod for being off topic.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:45 AM
 
Location: northwest valley, az
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I'll just say one last thing; if, as you claim, that healthcare was going up faster BEFORE the Obama ruination of healthcare in the usa, how did my premium Triple one year after I was forced into it? My rates NEVER went up more than 10% a year, EVER..
Plus, if these drug companies aren't sticking up our collective arses in the usa, why is the price for a popular drug 2,3,4 or even more times as expensive, as the same exact drug in other countries? Its the same drug, why are we punished????
And, how moronic is it to allow drug companies to run commercials 24/7/365 for all their stupid potions? You dont think THAT adds to the cost of drugs here?

OK, OT rant over, its just this subject gets my blood boiling....Maybe Eli Lily has a drug I can learn about on TV to help that..
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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I know that I helped fuel this OT tangent into the ACA and Healthcare, but I do want to add on last about that here:

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<snip>But the problem is it's not all greed, it's about paying for new technology, treating diseases that were previously untreatable, introducing new and more expensive drugs.<snip>
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Plus, if these drug companies aren't sticking up our collective arses in the usa, why is the price for a popular drug 2,3,4 or even more times as expensive, as the same exact drug in other countries? Its the same drug, why are we punished????
And, how moronic is it to allow drug companies to run commercials 24/7/365 for all their stupid potions? You don't think THAT adds to the cost of drugs here?

OK, OT rant over, its just this subject gets my blood boiling....Maybe Eli Lily has a drug I can learn about on TV to help that..
This is what really gets my blood boiling about our Healthcare as well. Am I the only one who has noticed that many of these 'new drugs' end up being 'stupid potions'?

We'll get bombarded with commercials about the latest new drug for this latest new condition. We go to the doctor who has been given plenty of marketing advice and samples for said new drug to help facilitate it's spreading use. Seriously folks. Our doctors are becoming drug pushers.

A couple of years later or so, we'll get bombarded with commercials from lawyers about said new drugs' bad side affects and sign up here for the newest and latest class action lawsuit.

Am I the only one who sees this?
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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So, to get back on topic, I'll repeat a bit of my post from two pages ago. It does seem as though there is a big push to make us more and more dependent upon the .gov for every need. And when it doesn't quite go well, many push for more and more .gov to 'fix' the problem.

For an example as I said before, we got a good dump of snow up here on the mountain. When first I moved up here 20+ years ago I quickly realized that 'hey I live over a mile high in snow country'. So, instead of continuing to drive my Honda civic, I bought a Jeep within two years. That way, I'm not waiting around for the roads to get plowed down back to pavement (including the melting of the 'berms' at the end of driveways) so I could be self sufficient and get around. The people who drive snow plows are just that. People too. I highly doubt that they sit there at home in their Prius' waiting to get to the road yard to drive a snow plow. And once there, snow plows cannot possibly plow every single street all at once. And temps and weather prevent a plow to fully plow a road/street to pavement on the first pass.

But folks seems to demand it. "I paid this or that tax" they say. So I think it's actually funny that they get on the various Facebook groups to complain about snow plows with these comments while they cannot get around in their little cars.

The rest of us get in our trucks/Jeeps, hit 4 wheel and trudge on out. Damn the snow plows, we got work to do.

And that is just a portion of what I mean to be self sufficient and not so dang dependent upon the .gov. Does it mean I have $500k set aside for medical bills? NO. Get real.
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Old 01-07-2019, 01:58 AM
 
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The bolded statement above is the key factor. Health care should be privately run, and competition is what's needed to keep the prices affordable. Politicians on both sides need to stay the hell out of it. Obamacare has been a disaster, with one major exception, which is the elimination of the pre existing condition clause. Otherwise, the Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable on all levels. The U.S. has moved more toward socialism, and California seems to be leading the way when it comes to ridiculous mandates & regulations on a state level.
Totally agree, it appears California wants to save the individual mandate of the ACÁ that was knocked out by the Trump administration last year by enacting their own state mandate. It’s all a scam to bow down to line big insurance’s pockets. The same groups who caused the health care expense crisis in the first place.

It appears many City data members are more there to insult and be condescending than provide any help.
I am curious at why?

I am hoping or a health care system that includes a subsidized or non profit funded “public option” at least for public medical centers, but without being a single payer where everyone must wait in line for care. I heard some parts of the world it works well. You could always choose private if you are willing to pay to skip the line or want some treatment different from what’s offered by the public hospitals.

Though I also would like to point out that this forum is going way off topic. As originally it was about locations, but now it’s about healthcare.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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We've wintered in Az the last three years. The clear air is great for my wifes alergies, but Az is clearly headed left. The high vehicle and sales taxes, the election of a crazy lefty to the senate, and the Mx border situation have all convinced us to look elsewhere.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:57 AM
 
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We've wintered in Az the last three years. The clear air is great for my wifes alergies, but Az is clearly headed left. The high vehicle and sales taxes, the election of a crazy lefty to the senate, and the Mx border situation have all convinced us to look elsewhere.
It’s working!
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Redwood City, CA
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We've wintered in Az the last three years. The clear air is great for my wifes alergies, but Az is clearly headed left. The high vehicle and sales taxes, the election of a crazy lefty to the senate, and the Mx border situation have all convinced us to look elsewhere.

Take heart: There's always Utah.

(And the air's not that clear here in the Phoenix metro.)
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