Looking to buy land in Juniper Woods Ranch (Phoenix, Ajo: how much, contractor)

[LBear]

Originally Posted by AF_Firefighter

I happen to live in juniper woods ranch. and I'd appreciate it if you would stop degrading it with you incorrect descriptions. I'd also like you to stop insulting me. (the loner, meth user, militia member...) I've lived there about four years. I built my own log cabin witht eh help of a contractor and haul my own water. (sometimes I use the water delivery service) As for power, we use a generator and solar panels. It is a wonderful life, but, it's not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of work. It's not all peace and quiet, but I wouldn't change a thing. Lots of wildlife and beautiful scenery. Hope this helps everyone.

Well, the FBI, and local and state police agencies will DIFFER with you. At this time, there are NUMEROUS people living in those areas that the government is keeping a close eye on. You might not be aware, but that area is a HOT SPOT for meth labs, militia members, people running from the law, etc..

So, while the area is "nice scenary", ask yourself who would also look for an area that is extremely remote, hard to access, off-grid (no electricity), one can live there without anyone knowing, no neighbors....

Also, nobody is "insulting you" unless you are easily insulted by the truth and facts.

[bridgecanyonfire]

I see Juniperwoods is now trying to start thier own fire department. What a shame!!!! We really wanted to go out there and start a Company since we are ALREADY FULLY LEGAL. All we wouldve needed was volunteers to run the trucks but thanks anyways, JUNIPERWOODS, for not even giving us a chance! Seems like weve been dealt the short end of the stick wherever we wanted to try to get our company going for places that really need it, and the Seligman area DOES NOT need us or want us thanks to the bullisht and gossip and untrue statements the local district chief and his croonies issued to the community about us which in turn people, for some backwards reason, believed and still believes regardless how much we prove they are wrong!

Anyways, once again THANKS TO JUNIPERWOODS for not even giving us half a chance. Now just hopefully you can overcome the rest of the hurdles it takes to become fully legal. Also, just hope you can indeed form a district, and hope there is no state trust lands in and around your proposed district becuase the county WILL NOT allow a district to be formed in that case(several tries was made for that in Bridge Canyon and district formation was denied each and every time). HOPE there are at least 80% of LEGALLY REGISTERED VOTERS in your area and HOPE that you can contact at least 80% of the residents that have property out there(and yes, even the ones with bare lots and are either deceased or reside in other states and have never been to or seen thier properties(yes, this will even be required by the county).
Finally but not lastly, think about your insurances, we are talking commercial liability insurance, managerial insurance, the usual emergency vehicle insurance and registration for the apparatus and workers compensation for the volunteers PLUS the Accident and Sickness policy most departments obtain to compliment the Workers Comp.
Most people already know that Workers Comp is a STATE requirement for employers no matter if they are not paid and are volunteer and auto insurance is a STATE requirement before you can even legally move the apparatus or respond to incidents as a LEGAL FD, and County nor State agencies will call you out on incidents unless these requirements are met.

Please be advised that WE had to go through all of this to become a legal department and we are a 501 (c) (3) too.
Our insurances are all through VFIS of Arizona(office in Lake Havasu) and they simply will not and do not sell any type of insurance unless you buy auto,commercial general liability and managerial insurances(3 policies) and also please be aware that they do not sell Workers Comp to Fire Departments even though they DO sell Workers Comp(to businesses only). This entire insurance package(s) CAN run very hefty in the prices as we have found out already but if you are able to pull it off then at least your insurance will be covered annually.

I noticed in one of your bulletins that Juniperwoods responded on lightning strikes out there and we sure do hope you had State Lands or the US Forestry Divisions permission first. :-S

We have been told by many reliable sources within both state and US forestry divisions that if they do not know in advance that you are responding to a fire on thier lands, and if any of your volunteers get hurt(unless you are fully insured at 1 mil limits) then you will be on your own on paying the medical expenses of the volunteers that got hurt or you may be in for a HUGE lawsuit by the volunteer(s).
Since they did not know in advance of your response then they assume no responsibility. Also they COULD charge you for trespassing since you are not yet a legal Department(this is only IF they do not know you are responding on thier lands).
Bottom line is if they know you are responding, then USUALLY they will give you permission but also be aware that sometimes not(if they know the area and there are no threatened exposures).
Our suggestion would be to have the residents of your area call State Lands or the US Forestry Division FIRST BEFORE you respond and allow them to give you the go-ahead. Once they give the go-ahead to the RP (reporting party) then the RP can call your Department. This way you can be covered.

These are just a few things you will need to take into consideration before getting your Department going.

1. primary legalization (ie, ACC recognition or county district)

2. insurances (commercial general liability; a 1 mil limits or better policy) , managerial liability ( you will be required this from VFIS for just in case your volunteers bring suits against you), emergency vehicle auto liability (1 mil limit or better) and Workers Comp (1 mil limit or better).

3. IGA's (these you will need if you really want to be called out by other sources than just the citizens ie; lifeline ambulance, state forestry, US forestry, yavapai county sheriff (911 services), etc.)
Usually if you dont have IGA's with various sources other than your residents calling you on calls then your Department can REALLY hurt. BELIEVE US on this as we went thru the same thing with our citizens due to the gossip that was spread.

Anyways, think about this things and what you guys in Juniperwoods COULDVE had if you wouldve wanted us to come in there instead of trying to start your own. However, there IS consideration of a "merge" maybe, since we are already fully insured and legal. ACC Number 13456550 on the ACC website.

We run 3 trucks (5 very soon) and we are FULLY equipped with communication(16 ch radios, repeater system and tone system with outdoor warning siren), used but VERY GOOD turnouts(24 complete sets) and an SCBA refill system(6 bottle cascade and compressor). Its just a shame though,that Bridge Canyon doesnt want us or our Department becuase of ignorance. :-S
Before we knew Juniperwoods was trying to start one, we thought "hey! maybe Juniperwoods would want one thats already fully legal" but lo and behold, i drove to one of the main entrances of Juniperwoods (off the OLD 66 just east of the Crookton Rd overpass and seen a bulletin that Juniperwoods wants to have a legal FD and they already have the truck so that blew us completely out of the water.

Sorry to keep ranting but in a way, it is very upsetting but yet on my last word of this posting, we DO wish you luck in legalizing your Department.

Any other questions or concerns then we will try to answer them.

[AF_Firefighter]

first off, i think i would know about the crimminals we do have considering the deputy director of homeland security for yavapai county is in the family. so please dont speak about thing that you know little about. as for the juniper woods fire department, i know only a little about them. i'm with ash fork fire department. However, yes we do contact stateland and the forest before we go on any fires in their jurisdiction. If you must rant and rave, do it somewhere else. as for the person who aasked about kaibab estates, yes i know quite a bit. id be happy to answer any questions you might have.

[bridgecanyonfire]

First off AF_firefighter,i was not "ranting and raving" about you or Ash Fork, as they dont have anything to do with Juniperwoods. My rant was regarding the new FD Juniperwoods is starting and actually its not a rant. I have seen you in here several times carrying on with your false accusations and i just dont need it. Every time i seen you post it has always been on a negative note so i would think that maybe that would make you as bad as me, possibly.
It is about like the fire calling the kettle black here!

But about the Juniperwoods starting thier own FD AFTER i was on here asking if they was in need of one a few months ago and with us being already legal and ready to go, i just figured it would save them ALOT of grief in trying to start thier own but apparently we was shut out again and it seems the people there are no better than the idiots that reside in Seligman and the surrounding area believing all the bullisht they hear and not acknowledging truth about us.
This is the rant i am most concerned over. Not YOU nor Ash Fork FD as i have been onscene with them on a few occasions out and around the Crookton Rd area (out in Westwood Ranches) as well as other areas, even though they was a longggggg ways from thier district and at least they responded without complaining. Personally, as the little bit i know about Ash Fork FD i have NOTHING at all against them OR thier personnell.I think those guys may be a wonderful team to work with.

Anyways, im just VERY upset that i was in here HOPING Juniperwoods wanted thier own FD and wouldve been willing to let us in there being we was already legal and then finding out that they are starting thier own thus again having the door slammed in our faces.
My rant is this, Bridge Canyon WANTED thier own FD, and we,out of our own pockets furnished it only to have the door slammed in our faces simply becuase they wanted to take the side of an *****hole of a chief that runs the local district and believe HIS bullisht over us, KNOWING that we spent ALOT of money becoming legal... and for what???
NO calls??? nothing to show for our accomplishments in doing things the correct way in becoming legal.... only to be pressured by some *****hole district chief here that cannot accept the fact that we became legal and that he lost and we won??

This is why we wanted into Juniperwoods. At least we couldve been away from all the nonsense around here and using our legalities for a rural area that MAY need it and just MAY appreciate it instead of having our money AND the legalities, equipment, etc all go to waste.
My point is this and it will be my bottomline: We figured that since this area wanted to take the side of a bullishtter or a hater(the local Seligman district chief) instead of the very ones that was here to TRY helping them and giving them what they wanted and out of our very own pockets which we really couldnt afford but did it anyways, then let those certain "bullishtters" respond to thier needs and just HOPE they pay the Seligman District response bill, otherwise they will see the TRUE colors of the seligman district chief, just as a few SMART ones have here recently. :-)

Lastly, i or WE are in no way here to create contreversy and we are in no way here looking for problems. However, we ARE here to voice our opinion. Its just my husband and i have had it with this entire area and especially with this local district chief and the money we spent to try getting something going for Bridge Canyon.

[exlexisnexis]

This is a good thing for the Ash Fork ,Seligman area $$$$$$$$$$$$ brings growth!!!!!!

$400 million cement plant for Seligman
Cement plant could be open in Seligman by 2011

Wednesday, September 19, 2007


The new cement plant, called 'Seligman Crossing,' is proposed for a
location mid-way between Peach Springs and Seligman.
The Cemex Corporation announced their plans to bring a full-scale
cement manufacturing facility to northern Arizona Sept. 17. According
to representatives with Cemex, the facility, called "Seligman
Crossing," will be located between Seligman and Peach Springs along
the Interstate 40 corridor, roughly three miles from Route 66. An
opening date for the facility is currently slated for 2011, though
construction on the project could begin as early as 2009.

[LBear]

Originally Posted by exlexisnexis

This is a good thing for the Ash Fork ,Seligman area $$$$$$$$$$$$ brings growth!!!!!!

$400 million cement plant for Seligman
Cement plant could be open in Seligman by 2011

Well, the reason that they might be building a plant out there is due to the remote location and cheap land. The BIG IF is going to come from the EPA and other environmental agencies and groups. So, the environmental concerns might cause some groups to protest this building & for it NOT to be built.

Sand and aggregate materials such as concrete contain concentrated amounts of crystalline silica. Mixing plants and the immediate areas are exposed to crystalline silica dust, and the residents and workers may develop silicosis, a serious and incurable respiratory disease. In the past century many workers have died from exposure to crystalline silica, and it is estimated that about 250 workers die each year from silica exposure.

As concrete, before it is cured, is very carcinogenic and environmentally bad. Musculoskeletal disorders (MSDs), Skin disease, e.g. Dermatitis & Respiratory disease are very common with plant workers and locations.

The plant, if built, would draw in workers from Kingman as it is closer to Seligman.

Remember, the same was said about FLAGSTONE in Ash Fork. That it would make the area this booming metropolis. DIDN'T happen. They are mining that stuff in Ash Fork and the town did not prosper from it.

All you have now is huge 18 wheelers ripping down the side roads coming from the quarries. When I drove thru Ash Fork, I looked at a lot FOR SALE to see what it was all about. There was a road cutting thru it and 18-wheelers would drive thru the center of the lot and there was NOTHING that could be done to stop them. Even though it was PRIVATE PROPERTY. They had the RIGHTS and they can drive up and down that road. Nothing like an 18-wheeler hauling tons of stone on a dusty road blasting thru your lot, to kill property values and impact the quality of life & health.

So, while this may be the initial steps, get ready for HUGE resentment and lawsuits to come by the EPA and other such agencies. The companies ONLY hope is that Seligman is in the middle of nowhere and has VERY FEW residents.

[exlexisnexis]

The plant, if built, would draw in workers from Kingman as it is closer to Seligman

According to the news article


The new plant would be a boon to the economy of Seligman, an unincorporated community of about 800 people But it also would benefit Kingman, Flagstaff, Williams and other communities in the area.

[exlexisnexis]

Pettrix,your posts are always so cheery and uplifting and for the 5th time I am not a realtor but you have me thinking about becoming one.
If you wait for all the infrastructure to be put in you will not be able to afford the property and by the way there is more water in Ash Fork than Williams and look at the rise in property values in Williams.

For the record when I made this statement I was not a Real Estate Agent after being called an agent several times I started to think why not be an agent? I am now a new real estate agent.

[exlexisnexis]

Great Article in the Williams-Grand Canyon News about a new 5 million dollar company on Rt 66 in Ash Fork just hit the press,I am not allowed to post links here but you can google it

Southwest Forest Products in full swing
Resources turned into products
excerpt below

By Laura Flood
Ash Fork Correspondent


Ed Martin of Southwest Forest Products, Inc., pictured above, said the new mill in Ash Fork represents a long term economic boon for the area.

The October rain on freshly cut pine logs, five miles west of Ash Fork, is a sweet scent for many reasons. It is the location of Southwest Forest Products Inc. (SFP), a forest products mill that opened in July. The privately owned Phoenix company has created a bright spot at 8108 W. Old Highway 66.

[johnswife12000]

My husband and I have forty acres is Juniper Wood Ranch, we would like to sell it since we are being transfered back to the midwest. Does anyone know of a good realty company?