Looking to buy land in Juniper Woods Ranch (Prescott, Dolan Springs: home, rent)

[lissel3]

We are thinking about buying in Juniper Woods and would like to hear about the good along with the struggles of living in the area. How long does it take to get a septic installed? What is the max temp in the summer. Is there enough wind to use wind power?

[ezra13]

I currently just outside of Fresno, Ca and can tell you, the weather at juniper woods is no where near as hot as it is here! I have been there during june, july and september and have found the weather to be quite pleasant. Our friends who have lived there for about five years now have had no complaints about the weather at any time of year, From what I have noticed, you should have enough wind for power, and solar is another good option. Currently, we;re still off the power grid, but that is in the works to get utilities. You have to haul in your own water, but that doesn;t seem to be too much of a problem. Let me just say that the water is excellent, there is absolutly no chlorine or chemical taste! The landscape is beautiful, you have wonderful blue skys and watching the storms is amazing. July is monsoon season so be prepared for mud and water, and you do get some snow in the winter, but not much. It says that you can e-mail me from here, but i'm not sure how that works. I have photos of our property, so if anyone wants to know what the land looks like, give me a post! I will e-mail or try to post the pictures here. We can also trade e-mails if you would like. As far as the septic system goes, i think it's just a matter of getting the tank, the permit and the work done. Good luck and if you do purchase property here, you'll absolutly love it!

[Arizonaguy32]

Ezra can you tell me what the differences are between juniper woods and Kaibab Estates?

[LBear]

I believe Kaibab is zoned and on grid (electricity). Juniper Woods is OFF-GRID (no power) and it is not zoned. Land tends to be less-expensive in Juniper Woods.

[moonstrer7]

I just joined this forrum but can't figure out how to post a new subject. My dad bought 40 acres there about 35 years ago. He grew up in Clarkdale,worked in the copper smelter there. My question is this. I'm considering taking my family there to see the property. Is it really dangerous with loaners,meth heads etc? What are Az's laws regarding out of state people being armed? If I camp can I get into my property without a jeep? What about water?I'd like to get a conversation going with some locals.

Thanx

[LBear]

Originally Posted by moonstrer7

I just joined this forrum but can't figure out how to post a new subject. My dad bought 40 acres there about 35 years ago. He grew up in Clarkdale,worked in the copper smelter there. My question is this. I'm considering taking my family there to see the property. Is it really dangerous with loaners,meth heads etc? What are Az's laws regarding out of state people being armed? If I camp can I get into my property without a jeep? What about water?I'd like to get a conversation going with some locals.

Thanx

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The above has the laws regarding CCW. There is always a potential for problems. Typically it should be OK but there has been METH LABS setup out in remote areas, nobody around, makes for perfect meth lab. Just check your property thoroughly to make sure nobody has done so. If you see a mobile or trailer on your lot, call the Sheriff or DPS. Don't investigate on your own or you might end up dead. It will probably take at least 1 hour for a 911 response, no joke, especially if you are out in the middle of Juniper Woods.

With 35 acres, you should be good, just make sure to check your property and that no SQUATTERS are there. Being you were away for so long, some people pull-up and make it home, as it is not fenced and no owners around.

As far as water, there is NONE. Bring your own supply. The water table is 1,500 feet underground. That is the size of the Sears Tower. There are no streams, and if there were, the cattle contaminated the water anyway. That is what destroyed any natural streams, the cattle peeing in their own water they drink, what a stupid animal. Arizona is OPEN RANGE. In other words, the cattle have more rights than you.

Depending on the terrain, you might need a jeep or 4x4 with high clearance. I would just rent a Jeep, as most likely it will NOT be level and numerous rocks and other hazards will be around.

Good luck!

[BiggsHomes]

Originally Posted by moonstrer7

My dad bought 40 acres there about 35 years ago.

Hopefully you have been paying the taxes regularly on the property. Otherwise it would most likely have been sold off in a tax sale. Also, if someone has been using the land over a period of ten years, they can make an adverse possession claim to take the property. This can be taking some of the property, all of the property, or could just be the right to use a portion of the property. E.g., if your neighbor has been driving through your property to access his property for the past 10 years, your neighbor can claim an easment to continue driving through your property.

Do you know where your property is? If not, you can go to the Yavapai County GIS website to locate it and see how far it is from paved roads. The website is: Yavapai County, AZ - Interactive Mapping Application Click on the "Search By Property" drop-down and you can search by parcel number, owner name, or address.

Good luck!

[LBear]

Originally Posted by BiggsHomes

Hopefully you have been paying the taxes regularly on the property. Otherwise it would most likely have been sold off in a tax sale. Also, if someone has been using the land over a period of ten years, they can make an adverse possession claim to take the property.

Ash Fork is NOTORIOUS for that. The 18 wheelers which haul tons of Flagstone from the mines can drive through someones back yard, and you can't do anything about it.

You would be surprised on how many people FORGET to pay taxes on their land. It eventually will get auctioned off by the county. Then when you go to claim your land, you will be shocked to see that it is no longer yours. Scary stuff.

[wphypno]

The Williams Railroad was purchased by the Vendor for the Grand Canyon, Xanterra Company and Xanterra owned it since March of 2005. I am a member of the Williams Chamber of Commerce so I can straighten out some of the hype about the Park.

Contrary to popular belief, the New Theme Park for Williams is still in the idea stage.
Not ONE cent has been presented for the proposed land. The investors have another project presented in the Phoenix area and there may be some money on that one, but not in Williams. For one thing, an investor would have to lay millions up front to dig wells, since there isn't any on the lands they are looking at.

They are trying to get tax payers in Williams to do it, but since the population of Williams hovers around only 3000 people, and many of those are well below the poverty line, I don't think that will be a viable option.

Sheepherding and cowboying jobs don't come with 401K programs.

They are proposing part of the theme park project on the West Side of Williams off of the I-40 and the larger parcel on the East side of Williams off of I-40.
The Phoenix area is different in that building promoters can waive money in front of the face of politicians and somehow get water. There is water in the Valley of the Sun but there is little up here in the North. Even if government officials can be bought, there is nothing to buy as far as water is concerned.

Nothing regarding the Theme Park has been approved in Coconino County which is were the fictional Theme Park would reside. This is were permits would be issued for building, health, sanitation, etc.

We get tremendous wind gusts, about half of the time. Semi-trucks sometimes just blow over sitting along the highway. (Gusts from 50-70 miles an hour can exist during ANY time during the year)

The Theme Park would have to be enclosed and blocked from all of this wind. This is alot different then the Water Parks Mesa has or Big Surf in Tempe. A big breeze would be welcome there)

Land is cheap in Ash Fork and Juniperwoods. Small land parcels like the one I live on go for 18-20,000 for 2 or 3 acres. (with electricity)

You can get 40 acres of land for anywhere from $20,000-$85,000 total. Most everyone who live in Juniperwood have solar and/or wind power, with battery backup or diesel generator backup.

Where I live in Kaibab, we have land line electricity and phone. I use sattelite for TV and a different Sattelite for high speed Internet.

There is no water however, you get your water shipped in by truck for anywhere from 65-100 per month. Its too costly to build a well only to have it dry up or be contaminated in a year or two. (This is also a barrier to the Theme Park Imagineers in Williams)

There are people who have been trying to sell their property since I moved here 3 years ago. The same with housing. So you can get a good buy. If they are selling the property for a $100,000 for 40 acres, offer them $80,000 and see what happens.

I live in Kaibab Estates West which is due North of that area and North of Ash Fork and have lived here for 3 years. For water, I just leave a check each month and the delivery company hauls in my water in a 2000 gallon truck. My wife and I, our two cats and our wonder horse Spirit, have not been thirsty or stinky because of the water truck not showing up.

There are two competing water companies that service the rural Ash Fork area, and they work 6 or 7 days a week to service the couple of thousand people spread across a huge geographic area. (Rural Yavapai County and rural Coconino County)

Weather.

The day time temperatures in November through March run 40-50 degrees and it can actually hit 0 or below a few degree in December-January at night for a couple of hours.

The sun comes up and the temperatures rise quickly.

the Spring and Summer tempes are in the 70-s and 80s during the day and in the 50s at night.

July is the hottest month and can hit a hundred for just a few days. (the temps get in the 5os and 60s at night.

Once the rains come in August, unlike Phoenix, the water is cold and brings the day time highs down into the 60s and 70s. If it wasn't raining the temps would be in the 90s or even 100s.

Note about Williams Weather.

Williams is about 2000 feet higher than Ash Fork, Juniperwood, Sierra Verde Ranch and Kaibab Estates West.

What that means is that for every 1000 feet in elevation you expect the temperatures to be at least 3 degrees colder than my quote above. Therefore Williams is usually 6 or 7 degrees colder than here.

If you want to know what the weather is in the Ash Fork area, you can look at the Weather for Prescott Arizona and you will always be pretty close.

If you want to know what the weather is in Williams, look at the conditions in Flagstaff and you will be pretty close.

I am selling a 38.8 acre parcel about 35 miles from Juniperwook in Sierra Verde Ranch.
We have our horses on our property here in Kaibab, so we can let go of the property.
It is located on the same lattitude as Juniperwook so you have the same kind of trees, weather and animals.

Information about my land is located here:

Northern Arizona affordable ranch land for Sale

I wish you the best in getting the information you neet.

Wayne F. Perkins

[wphypno]

Originally Posted by Arizonaguy32

Ezra can you tell me what the differences are between juniper woods and Kaibab Estates?

I live in Kaibab and have so for 3 years.

We have electricty and land line power in Kaibab but there are still many places off grid.

Kaibab Estates West resides in Coconino County with the county seat in Flagstaff and Juniperwood resides in Yavapai county with the county seat in Prescott.

(Both cities are about an hours's drive from the Intersection of I-40 and RT 89)

We shop in Prescott most of the time in the winter because it is usually warmer than Flagstaff and then we go shopping in Flagstaff in the summer so we can enjoy the cool days.

This is beautiful country. I get to see about 16 pronghorn antelope every morning when I check for mail in Ash Fork. (they have a post office and a private mail service in Ash Fork) Every one who lives in Juniperwood, Kaibab or Ash Fork has to have a post office box as there is absolutely NO mail delivery.

Good luck