11-09-2008, 06:26 PM
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I'm also an owner in Sierra Highlands. I can answer both your questions for you.
Power to the sites? That will never happen in our lifetimes. The nearest power lines are 12 miles away as the crow flies on Highway 191. Anecdotal evidence puts costs of extending service at approximately $10k per quarter mile.
Do the math and that makes it prohibitively expensive to get power that far away from the nearest lines. Besides, this is the 21st Century and there are plenty of alternatives to making your own power. They aren't always cheap, BUT coupled with conservation you'll be surprised what you can do and have no utility bills
Just to give you an idea, I've actually camped up on my property with nothing more than a battery based 400 watt power station and had enough power to provide light, charge small batteries and watch movies on my laptop for the entire weekend.
For your second question, there IS a community well. It was put in around the time I bought my property. It's at what I call the backside (North-End) of the development along the Jaraloosa Draw. It's hard to spot, you'd best get a hold of somebody at the office in St Johns as to exactly where it is. I've seen it, it's capped and ready to go. You just have to provide your own power (portable generator).
As to how they are selling? I don't really know. Given our current economic climate, probably not very well. I have heard through advertising that foreclosures have occurred and they are releasing some additional properties because of it.
I was at my property the 1st week in April of this year. I could get cell
phone reception on highway 191 at the entrance road to the Ranch but could not get it at the bottom of my property near parcel 97 or at the top
of the bluff, the upper part of my parcel. I have AT&T service. Does anyone else have a problem with their cell phone service here. Also the
drive from the bottom of the property to the bluff is a wild one. I drove a
29 foot RV to the top and I didn't think I make it. It was dry though, no rain. The road was hard as a rock. Also I got lost on top of the bluff and I didn't think I would find my way back down. AS I said my cell phone would not work at the top of the bluff either.
11-09-2008, 10:50 PM
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We don't get cell service on our property either.
11-10-2008, 01:05 PM
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New to this thread.
Hi all,
Pam pointed us in this direction and we're glad to see that there is a pulse
here in Sierra Highlands.
Julie and I purchased when the area opened up in July of last year. We live in the Phoenix valley and are about 250 miles from the ranch. I will try and comment on some of the posts here.
To those looking for property and really enjoy the wide open spaces, this is the place! There is a cleansing of the Soul and a renewal that is hard to put in words every time we come up here. This is a place "to get away from it all". Land is always a good investment, but if your looking to make a "killing" I don't think this is the place. Even less so with the current economic conditions.
Water (as has been posted) is available from a community well. A key will be provided once you show them your generator and it is approved. A small generator will drop down in voltage when the large pump motor is engaged and that could cause harm to the pump. Thus the approval. I would guess that with a small safety margin one would need at least a 5K power plant. You will also need something to move the water in. Just remember that water is around seven lbs per gallon when purchasing a tank and trailer.
Water is available at "The Ice House" which is just west of St. Johns, north about a half mile on 24th street (or is it 14th?). They charge $0.01 per gallon which is a bargain. You just park under the water hose and feed money into the automatic controller. A buck gives you 100+ (and it is always +) gallons. Unless you have horses, it will probably take a long time to pay for a large generator compared to purchasing water in town.
I have found that with a cell phone amplifier (I found a Wilson the best value for the money) gets me good reception for both my Sprint cell phone and my Verizon wireless Internet. (I love the isolation out at the ranch, but we must be reasonable about things
).
As far as the roads and two wheel drive vehicles go this is what I've found. If it hasn't rained is a while (several weeks) a 1/2 inch or less of rain will cause problems with the roads for a day. In other words, it takes a day of sunshine to dry them up. When the summer monsoons hit (basically rain every day at 3:00pm) have food and water and settle in. It will take around three days of no rain and full Sun to make them passable. If you must get out, forget about the main entrance and go out the back of the ranch on County Ranch Road 6268. It exits (or enters) the ranch at lot 1 and drops down through Woodland Valley and out to 191. This is a 20 mile trip however and you could encounter small lakes in the road from time to time. When we got stuck on the main entrance and spent the night waiting for rescue, this is how we finally made it out. The backhoe that came to get us also got stuck at the same turn and had to use its arm to pull itself out. Also we were told that a culvert we easily crossed the day before was totally washed out behind us.
To be fair, we were told that this is was the most active monsoon since they have been selling property in the area and that goes back at least ten years.
We originally planed on getting up to the ranch twice a month but that has dropped back to once. We are a bit "gun shy" about any kind of rain but after spending a few minutes at the ranch, the problems fade away and it is all worth it. My feeling is that we will try and lengthen our visits up to a week at a time. We were just up this last weekend and I must admit that the low temperatures are a bit much for a desert rat like myself, but the days are sure worth it.
We certainly would love to meet any and all of you that are in the meeting mood. Pam mumbled something about coming out in the spring and that is one of the best times as the roads will very probably be in good shape, the days are warm and pleasant, and the night are cool but not cold. The night sky "is to die for" if you have any interest in astronomy. I call it a "Zeiss Sky" and those that "understand", will understand.
As far as building, no permits are required for any building under 200 sq ft. You can build as many boxes under 200 sq. ft. as you want. If you like hacienda style accomodations you could have several "rooms" for various functions without government intervention.
Hope I have been of help.
Ron and Julie
11-10-2008, 05:25 PM
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Hi Tony and Madonna! Is that a premade structure you plan to have or is it something you are designing?
You know we've gone back and forth on what we'd do initially and quite frankly I haven't seen any thing pre-built or even in kit-form that is what "I" would consider inexpensive. So, we're going to dive in with both hands and build our own structure to start with.
It's under 200sq ft, so no permitting required.
We are thinking of a small mobile/park model to put in later, but that will require permitting, meaning at the very least septic. And then the main house when we're ready. For the main house we've been toying with the idea of a "round" house like a Deltec Home.
Deltec Homes - Eco Friendly Round House, Circular Homes, and Dome Homes
It's great to see more people in here!
Madonna and I also live in the Metro Phoenix area, so if you'd like to get together somewhere, that would be great!
Before I forget...
Cellular service! Ron touched on it, and I'll add what I know. After doing a little research I've found out that the nearest cell tower is down by the power plant and it is in fact a Verizon owned tower.
If you have T-Mobile or AT&T, you're pretty much out of luck that far out of town.
In fact I couldn't even get my Sprint service to work, but that's probably because I have my PDA set to NOT roam and it would be roaming on Verizon's tower.
My personal cell phone is a Verizon phone and I could pull good signal and make calls without an amplifier at the southwest corner of the project if I was out on the bluff looking due south at the tower. (Great sunsets out that way)
On my property I couldn't get any solid signal but it wouldn't say "no-service" either. Ron pretty much confirmed what I had thought, that if I got an amplifier, a mast and a Yagi antenna and point it due south in the direction of the tower, I could probably get enough signal for cellular voice and Internet.
11-11-2008, 08:57 AM
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Howdy y'all...
One thing I was thinking was making a recommendation to build a construction block shelter around the community well. Put a full-time pump in there for community use. ...and fencing the entire thing in. ...of course anyone who wants to be malicious can compromise all that as well. (for that matter they could blow the cap on the well as it sits).
...but at some point there will be enough people around on an ongoing basis to provide some sentry to the area (that security thing I had mentioned previously). I can ride ole "Spot" (my one day to have paint pony) with my official "SHR Sheriff" badge around and look for bad guys.
...then again the dirt bike may be more efficient.
Robert
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11-11-2008, 11:21 AM
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Have any of you looked into Straw Bale buildings? There's alot of info on the web and a group in Canelo, AZ that builds alot of these homes and has how to classes. I found it to be very intriguing, the insulation factor is phenomenal, a straw bale is much cheaper than wood, once you stucco the walls it is fire proof and the wall construction can be done by you and friends, as long as you supply food and beer. I'd spring for a Port-a-john too. If you go by the 200 sq. ft. theory of no permits, you could connect a bunch of these together easily. Personally, I like the look and I've seen photos where people have used Mexican style tiles as window and door frames. I'm from the Midwest so I'm up for anything thats not a city bungalow or the color beige. ; )
11-11-2008, 01:51 PM
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Yahoo..
I went and signed up on the yahoo groups.
11-11-2008, 04:24 PM
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That's a great idea Robert, I'm always over-extending myself anyway and time is something I don't have a lot of these days!
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Robert_Roy
I can ride ole "Spot" (my one day to have paint pony) with my official "SHR Sheriff" badge around and look for bad guys.
Oh great, the rural ranch version of condo-cop
(he he)
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11-11-2008, 07:06 PM
Location: Show Low, AZ
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Highlands: Wow.... That's a nice picture. Where is that one taken from ?
Yes.... All that weather and sometimes changing even in hours !
Da-Go: Yea well a lazy person (or one without time - That's me) usually finds an easy way to do a job.
I don't know about the Sheriff business.
...but I have a lil fuzz-butt Aussie Shepard with bad breath and I'll send her over to breathe on them ! *blech*
11-12-2008, 09:49 AM
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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