Sheriff calls for school immigration checks (home builder, job market, construction)

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Greatday

There are no "personal history checks" in Arizona. You can register, and vote, the same day.

Aha! That is part of the problem.

Texas has the following rule for voting: https://webservices.sos.state.tx.us/forms/vr17.pdf (broken link)

"Your voter registration will become effective 30 days after it is received or on your 18th birthday, whichever is later. Your registration must be effective
on or before an election in order to vote in that election."

Arizona should institute this rule and then do background checks to ensure that the applications are legitimate.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Vicman

Aha! That is part of the problem.

Arizona should institute this rule and then do background checks to ensure that the applications are legitimate.

We did have. Courts got involved.

We also have the "Motor Voter" law - can register when getting a drivers license.

It is what it is.

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Greatday

We did have. Courts got involved.

We also have the "Motor Voter" law - can register when getting a drivers license.

It is what it is.

Wait, did the state courts intervene and say the proposed law was unconstitutional? I'm not sure what the weaknesses are in the Motor Voter thing, but I would imagine there would be some loophole involved.

Now I see why the Arizona citizens and local governments react so negatively to illegal immigration.

[Greatday]

Arizonans react "negatively" to illegal immigration because of the cost of illegal immigrants on the taxpayers, the increase in crime, the overloading of our schools, the overloading of the public health system, the decline of certain neighborhoods etc.

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Arizonans react "negatively" to illegal immigration because of the cost of illegal immigrants on the taxpayers, the increase in crime, the overloading of our schools, the overloading of the public health system, the decline of certain neighborhoods etc.

What I meant was that the laws make it easier for fraud from illegal immigrants, which makes the impact worse in Arizona than in Texas.

As for the health aspect: some Houston nonprofits open health clinics in certain neighborhoods to serve illegals and the uninsured so they don't clog the ERs of the public hospitals. Texas Children's opens third pediatric primary care practice - Houston Business Journal:

For schools: Texas schools are funded by property taxes. I am not sure which school district would be the most impacted by illegal immigration (that would be interesting to find out) but Houston ISD, the largest in the Houston area, gets a lot in property taxes, so it has to "give" extra funds to other school districts.

[Greatday]

Frankly - I could care less what Houston does.

This is an Arizona thread

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Frankly - I could care less what Houston does.

This is an Arizona thread

But looking to what agencies and governments in other states do to deal with illegal immigration will help solve the problems in Arizona.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Arizonans react "negatively" to illegal immigration because of the cost of illegal immigrants on the taxpayers, the increase in crime, the overloading of our schools, the overloading of the public health system, the decline of certain neighborhoods etc.

THANK YOU, Greatday!

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Vicman

But looking to what agencies and governments in other states do to deal with illegal immigration will help solve the problems in Arizona.

Sorry - Texas is not, and has not, been a "role model" for anything in Arizona - nor, ever will be.


It should be the other way around - When did Texas pass an Employer Sanctions Law? When did they prosecute their first employer?

And, how about swearing in City Cops to be Federal officers?

[NorthPoleMarathoner]

Originally Posted by Vicman

If they got the same benefits as citizens, then they would:
* Be able to vote
* Be able to use the Social Security system (yes, illegals do contribute Social Security money)
* Be able to stay in the country after committing a DUI or another serious crime

You misunderstood me. I meant benefits at work. Not from the government.

I have worked with plenty of illegals in the past. They received the exact same benefits as American citizens. i.e. vacation time, pay, 401k.

If the government wanted to stop illegal immigration it would.

If American citizens wanted to stop illegal immigration they would vote in politicians that would put a stop to it.

I just think it is insane to punish employers for something that is the clearly the governments responsibility. Employers are going to hire who they think will do the best job. They could care less what country someone is from.

And I would presume if they were interested in checking people immigration status they would be working for the government.

Private employers are not law enforcement. Forcing them to do the governments job (keeping illegals out) without compensation is nothing more than forced labor.