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Old 08-16-2009, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Originally Posted by Tom Lane View Post
While Coconino County voted for Obama, Flagstaff is just not liberal on any issue, it's as simple as that!
I have to disagree with you there, Tom. After living here for 10 years, I can safely say the liberals here are loud and proud! They certainly seem to be in the majority, and the recent election results confirm that fact. Here are a few other examples:
1. I have personal experience with a middle school math teacher here who told us in a parent teacher conference that "It doesn't matter if he gets the right answer as long as he tries." This is MATH we're talking about. I attribute much of this to the influence of the hippie/feel good garbage being fostered at NAU.
2. A few years ago, a lion up on Mount Elden was threatening hikers and killing dogs. The AZ G&F correctly decided that it needed to be removed before a human got hurt. After it was killed, there was a large contingent (~100 people) who got together on the mountain as a memorial to the lion. They brought food, and stood in a circle holding hands and singing praises to the LION! Do you think ANY of those people would've shown up for a memorial for a homeless person killed on the train tracks? Animal rights activists are rampant here.
3. The Harold Fish debacle. I have NO doubt that had the trial happened in ANY other county in AZ, the original conviction would never have happened. The jury pool here is filled with anti-gun liberals, so he got shafted! Thank goodnees the AZ appeals court overturned our pathetic little kangaroo court, and Mr. Fish is home with his family where he belongs.
There are many other example of this type of liberal asinine behavior. Flagstaff is NOT conservative in way too many ways.

 
Old 08-16-2009, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Nope not a lie and I didnt make it up....I havent always lived in Safford (not Stafford) and i hail from California....many, many moons ago.

I know what I have seen and I know what i am talking about....you can call me a liar if you like, but it is the honest to God truth.
So being from California gives you the right or know-with-all to say most gays are created by pedophiles? Please...And pondie is right, gays aren't vampires. Gays don't go around "creating" more gays...what a spiteful thing to say because your "religion" forbids you from believing differently. I tolerate your opinion but you should really use some common sense and realism when posting on a public forum.
 
Old 08-16-2009, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by tijlover View Post
My mother, who was a psyhic and palm reader, once told me as a child that one day, sometime in the future, you'd encounter one of these rare individuals that doesn't hate anyone and has never used a derogatory term against anyone.

Years passed, decades passed, and with my patience nearly exhausted, along comes fcorrales80, to yet prove another of my mother's predictions to come true.

As they say in the wisened Far East: Love can turn to hate in a split second, and hate can turn to love in a split second. Love and Hate share the same energy pool.

If you can't hate, you can't love either. In any marriage, moments of hate, moments of love til death do you part.
That sounds like a very beautiful "eastern" or asian cultural belief but love and hate are fundamentally different. And I didn't say I don't dislike or hate anyone, I just don't hate people for WHO they are...black, gay, religious, etc. My quote was: "No, I haven't sorry. I don't hate anyone because of who they are and have never used a derogatory term against someone out of hatred, etc. If someone hates their own kind, then that is usually a psychological problem and an identity crisis. Similar to gender dysmorphia or someone who wishes they were white instead of black, asian, hispanic, etc. I don't hate anyone enough to call them something I'd regret later. Sorry, you're on your own buddy..."
 
Old 08-16-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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[quote=Tom Lane;10286289][quote=fcorrales80;10279524][quote]
Learn your facts before you speak! You spread very hateful and incorrect lies on this forum and it has to stop.

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Excuse me. This is a discussion board of opinions. I have lived in Seattle and know what a genuine gay friendly town is like - gays there are treated with respect, and there is never any employment discrimination, unlike Arizona.


Yes, this is a forum to discuss opinions, HOWEVER, one of the rules in the TOS is that your post be fair, on topic, and TRUE! You can't come on here and lie all you want and expect no repercussion. That just isn't going to happen. All your lies have been dispelled by actual facts and quoted sources, but your hate is spewed out of fiction.

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I do not appreciate you telling me that I have hateful comments as this is not true.

I wrote the posts because gays, blue collar unionized labor, and other groups who are represented by the Democratic Party SHOULD NOT move to Flagstaff.

Arizona is an anti-union, anti-business, anti-gay, pro-tax state, with a relatively low minimum wage, with inadequate health care, totally the opposite of many liberal areas of the Left West Coast.

And if you REALLY have a huge gay organization in Phoenix (as you claim in your post), then WHY don't you have a GLBT community center? And why don't you establish a center in Flagstaff or NAU students who face an oppressive community of rednecks, Mormons, and others in Northern Arizona, and a City Council who refuses to pass a civil rights ordinance for gays?
LOL, more false information...see this is the crap that flows from you that is hateful and hurtful. We have many community centers and outreach groups. All this hateful wording against anti-union pro-business people, Mormons, and us gays in Arizona is itself hate speech and discrimination. This is gibberish, but I'll just say a few community centers and groups in Phoenix ALONE are: 1in10: 1n10 - A Phoenix Arizona Group for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender and Questioning Youth , 1 Voice Community Center One Voice Community Center | 1vcc.org , BiSexual Network of Arizona and Center Outreach Bisexual Network of Arizona , Community Church of Hope Home , Equality Arizona Equality Arizona - Arizona’s only statewide LGBT civil rights organization , Transgendered Harmony Center A Phoenix area support group for the entire transgendered community, and many many more!

In Flagstaff: The Northern Arizona Rainbow Community Center, Northern Arizona Pride Association Pride in the Pines 2009 - Northern Arizona Pride Association - Flagstaff, AZ and a new site underconstruction for Flagstaff that will have all the resources listed: gay flagstaff men, flagstaff gay bars, gay videos, personals, chat, gay realtor and community resources

Tom, again your hate speech and lies NEED to stop!

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As for a related liberal issue, it is terrible that nurses at Flagstaff Medical Center tried to Unionize and were unable to do so.

While Coconino County voted for Obama, Flagstaff is just not liberal on any issue, it's as simple as that!
It is terrible in your opinion, and that is fine, but it isn't the Arizona way and is very anti-business and anti-patient. It would be dully hard to get rid of a terrible nurse with a nurses union. Unions aren't always necessary and great! Sometimes they are downright horrific organizations and mobs in their own right (no pun intended).
 
Old 08-16-2009, 07:53 PM
 
Location: SoCal desert
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I googled this nurses thing -- according to the azdailysun.com, "Nurses defeated a unionization by a vote of 242 to 211 vote last June [2007], and previously in 2003".
They already voted on it twice, they should give it a rest.

Also found googling -- September 35, 2007 "
The University of Arizona will become the first state university to have a full-time director of gay and lesbian affairs.
In what is hailed by local gay-rights groups as “groundbreaking,” Cathy Busha will join the university as director of the newly created Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Q**** Affairs Office.
“This represents President (Robert) Shelton’s strong commitment to creating a safe, welcoming and diverse campus,” Busha said.
While the university has a number of organizations that support the LGBTQ community, Busha said, “all the great work has been done with volunteer time.”
….Both Northern Arizona University and Arizona State University have LGBTQ student organizations through their student centers, according to representatives from those universities, but do not have paid positions to support those groups. Tucson Citizen
 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by Gandalara View Post
I googled this nurses thing -- according to the azdailysun.com, "Nurses defeated a unionization by a vote of 242 to 211 vote last June [2007], and previously in 2003".
They already voted on it twice, they should give it a rest.

Also found googling -- September 35, 2007 "
The University of Arizona will become the first state university to have a full-time director of gay and lesbian affairs.
In what is hailed by local gay-rights groups as “groundbreaking,” Cathy Busha will join the university as director of the newly created Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Q**** Affairs Office.
“This represents President (Robert) Shelton’s strong commitment to creating a safe, welcoming and diverse campus,” Busha said.
While the university has a number of organizations that support the LGBTQ community, Busha said, “all the great work has been done with volunteer time.”
….Both Northern Arizona University and Arizona State University have LGBTQ student organizations through their student centers, according to representatives from those universities, but do not have paid positions to support those groups. Tucson Citizen
So the NURSES themselves defeated the unionization vote... Wow, Tom some great truthful posting on your part.
 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:15 PM
 
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I hate the Gay bar scene. And you have just a good a chance of meeting up with someone at a Straight bar, with those under the influence.

I agree with Freud: We were all born bisexual. So technically speaking, there are no Gay people, no Straight people, no one born Gay, no one born Straight.

Our conditioning, environment does the rest!
Not in my case. Didn't want to be gay, but I am. I know of too many gay men who lived in denial, got married, had kids, etc...and who just couldn't stand it any more and admitted they were gay. If they were bisexual, they probably could have continued living a "straight" life.

I'm not saying there's no role of conditioning or environment, but I think it's much less than 50%. I also don't think we're all born bisexual.

Last edited by mysticaltyger; 08-16-2009 at 08:40 PM..
 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
WHAT?!?

I have done much better financially here in Arizona (at least in the BHC area as well as Phx) vs. either California, Florida, Oregon or Wash DC.

Remember too that our Gays tend to be rather 'conservative' here as well---------pickup trucks, like their guns and so on............which would gag a New England class of 'liberal'.

Frankly; I have had more overall trouble in the putative 'liberal' areas of this state where intolerance reigns against being a patriotic American than with even Mormons--------and, I am something of an old Hippie at heart.
I mostly agree with you ArizonaBear. I live in the SF Bay Area and I can tell you that the gays here are often just as intolerant as the people they complain about. If you're not liberal/socialist on every issue, they think you're self loathing or repressed or something.

So in many cases, it's a case of trading one kind of intolerance for another.

California just banned gay marriage with Prop 8. The reality is that older people and racial minorities do not accept gay marriage. Older people, in particular, vote in large number. Basically, we have to wait for a few more old people to die off before gay marriage becomes legal.

I'd also add that just because someone votes against gay marriage doesn't mean they "hate" you. Since when does disagreeing with something automatically qualify as hatred?

Anyway, we shouldn't listen to posts from TomLane. He is overly negative and not accurate. I think he just likes to be contrarian. Must be some kind of ego trip.
 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:28 PM
 
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Have you ever heard the word "dysfunctional"....noone means to condition people to be gay...(except for possibly the predators) but dysfunctional families, sometimes the lack of a proper male figure or a male figure that is abusive, the emasculation of the men in our society, the masculinization of women....all of these things conspire to bring sexual confusion to young men and women as they struggle with thier identity.
I don't know why I bother to argue with you. But I grew up in a "normal" 2 parent family (no divorces, no abuse, etc). My dad is not gay. I was not molested, etc.

I remember being attracted to other boys/men as early as age 5 or 6.

I had a conversation with my dad recently (the first serious talk we've had in 20 years). My dad said to me that he and my mom always suspected I was gay from the time I was very young. They just didn't want to admit it.

I'm sure nobody is going to change your mind. But that's my .02 worth.

Last edited by mysticaltyger; 08-16-2009 at 08:42 PM..
 
Old 08-16-2009, 08:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by fcorrales80 View Post
Unions aren't always necessary and great! Sometimes they are downright horrific organizations and mobs in their own right (no pun intended).
I agree with you on this. I am part of a public sector union in CA. Sure, it's nice to be overpaid and get fat benefits. But I wonder if I'm really going to see those retirement benefits at age 55. At the rate we are going, the unions and other special interst groups are going to bankrupt the state of CA. We already have a bond rating that is only a few notches above "junk" status, the lowest of all 50 states.

Unions are often slow to admit financial realities. They act as if the gravy train can go on forever, even when it's blatantly obvious that it can't. Exibit A of this would be the Detroit Auto Unions (although management surely had a role as well).
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