Arizona governor approves abortion constraints (loan, home, college)

[drb85650]

of all those who've posted so far, who has had a abortion, or been the male participant of one?

[KarmaPhx]

Originally Posted by nmweatherman

So far on this thread: not one word about personal (sexual) responsibilty. Only how to conveniently clean up the "mistakes" and "messes" with as little personal involvement as possible.

Ain't the "it's all about 'me'" generations wunnerful?

Even with birth control, there is still a chance of getting pregnant. My sister got pregnant while on the pill, she never missed a day, it just happens.

[llowllevellowll]

Originally Posted by nmweatherman

So far on this thread: not one word about personal (sexual) responsibilty. Only how to conveniently clean up the "mistakes" and "messes" with as little personal involvement as possible.

Ain't the "it's all about 'me'" generations wunnerful?

It's off-topic. That's why you haven't heard anyone talk about it, because it has little-to-no-relevance when we speak of the law. I probably live the mantra of personal responsibility more than any other person on planet earth, but understand that that has nothing to do with whether or not abortion should be legal or illegal when we're speaking about personal freedoms; they aren't dependant on each other. Make sense? I would also argue that having an abortion IS the responsible action, but you'd have to read my earlier post to understand why I say that.

Originally Posted by drb85650

of all those who've posted so far, who has had a abortion, or been the male participant of one?

Neither; I simply argue for personal freedoms and choice in our own lives.

Originally Posted by Greatday

Why is it "disgusting"? Other states have already enacted similar provisions.

And that's equally disgusting.

The reason should be very clear. It allows another person, unrelated, whom you don't know, to make key decisions in your life? How is that right? Pharmacist A and B believe that a zygote has a soul, so there's a good chance Pharmacist A will refuse Girl C the pill because it's not what they find to be ideal? Who cares either pharmacist wants? It's not their lives.

In case history isn't indicative enough, giving others the power to play 'Benevolent Father' was never a good idea.

Example:

Forget sex. Let's talk about ADHD, ADD, etc. You want ritalin for your overactive child. I'm a person with the belief that most children are overmedicated and underdisciplined. But, instead of listening to you, I decide I'm not going to write or fill your prescription for ritalin on the grounds that I think you need to stop being a lazy parent, parenting with your PS3 and television, and enforce rules around your house. How would you feel? I may have a point, and it may even be correct, but my personal opinions have nothing to do with your situation and it isn't my place in the least bit to tell you or your child how to live your lives.

Encroaching upon your personal freedoms isn't what I'm paid by Employer A to do. Understand?

[nick.leviman]

When I heard of this law I seriously thought about leaving Arizona (despite that I love it) and moving normal state like California.

What ".." make those kind of laws???
Somebody get raped and can't get morning after pills because it is against moral and religious views of the pharmacist, then she will be unable to do abortion for the same reason. I'm sure we will see plenty of self inflicted abortions and black market medicine for it soon.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by nick.leviman

When I heard of this law I seriously thought about leaving Arizona (despite that I love it) and moving normal state like California.

What ".." make those kind of laws???
Somebody get raped and can't get morning after pills because it is against moral and religious views of the pharmacist, then she will be unable to do abortion for the same reason. I'm sure we will see plenty of self inflicted abortions and black market medicine for it soon.

Women will still be able to get the morning after pill. Thats a fact.

Women will still be able to get an abortion. Thats a fact.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Women will still be able to get the morning after pill. Thats a fact.

Women will still be able to get an abortion. Thats a fact.

True, I doubt Wal-Greens or CVS will restrict sales of the morning after pill. Also, while I am very liberal and what not, I think abortion is a choice that should be carefully considered and NOT used as a means of primary birth control. At the same time, adoption isn't the best option for many babies, especially minorities. Heck, if there is a 24 hour wait to consider the "teachings" of abortion facts, there should also be a session on kids "living in the system" if they choose to place them for adoption.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Some pharmacists have moral objections to the type of contraception described by the legislation

So what? I'm sure some pharmacists also have moral objections to certain medicines that have dangerous side effects (up to, and including death) ... yet, they gladly fill the prescriptions, and do nothing more than warn customers of the possible hazards. A pharmacist's job is to fill the orders from the doctors ... not to let his/her personal beliefs dictate what the customers can or cannot buy. If pharmacists refuse to fill certain orders based on certain personal objections, then they shouldn't be pharmacists!

Maybe some of us are strongly opposed to our tax dollars being used to fund all these financially incapable cretins who keep breeding, and didn't use contraception. The people who are the poorest are often the ones having the most kids ... and frankly, I'm fed up with paying for their welfare checks, their food stamps, their children's public education, and health care. See, I have moral objections to these things ... so gee whiz, maybe I should just stop paying taxes!!!
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Originally Posted by Greatday

There is another part of this law you missed - the requirement for parental notification - not approval - NOTIFICATION.

IMHO, if I, as a parent, are responsible for my child, I should, at the very least, be notified when MY CHILD is going through ANY medical procedure - don't you agree?

I mean, my child cannot take an aspirin without my knowledge and consent.

Yet, and up to now, my child could have an abortion without me even knowing about it

This law corrects that major deficiency.

I agree with this part of the legislation. After all, minors are defined as minors because they don't have the same rights or privileges as adults. Parents have every right to know about their children seeking medical procedures.

Originally Posted by Greatday

Women will still be able to get the morning after pill. Thats a fact.

Women will still be able to get an abortion. Thats a fact.

True, but with more restrictions. That's what I have a problem with. I don't mind the parental notification part of the bill, but I DO mind the way these socialist conservatives are wanting to regulate the lives of adults the same way as children!

Although I do not personally approve of abortion in all cases (especially birth control and gender selection), I still strongly believe that it should be kept safe and legal with few restrictions. The Republicans who constantly seek ways of banning, restricting, or regulating abortion are no better than the liberal Dems who are constantly seeking ways to ban, restrict, or regulate firearms. No amount of government interference is going to stop abortion ... just like all the proposed gun laws will not stop people from getting weapons. Keep government the hell out of people's personal lives!!!

[robertjohnson]

Originally Posted by KarmaPhx

That still requires the woman to get pregnant, have you seen what a pregnancy can do to a woman? If you're 18 would you really want to do that to your body?

Adoption is a great option, but a tricky one.

The horror of stretch marks.
Must be taken seriously.
The shame at the beach.
Is just too much to bare.

Adoption requires going through the pregnancy.
The pregnancy is already a fact.

[llowllevellowll]

Originally Posted by robertjohnson

The horror of stretch marks.
Must be taken seriously.
The shame at the beach.
Is just too much to bare.

Adoption requires going through the pregnancy.
The pregnancy is already a fact.

Leave it to the man to undercut real, honest pregnancy concerns on the behalf of women by pretending that they are actually only worried about stretch marks and how they're going to look on a beach. Your words, to me, are disgusting.

It is difficult to estimate how many women die every single year due to pregnancy complications, however I've seen the number given be as high as 500,ooo worldwide deaths each year.

Even if the number were simply 30,ooo the concern is just the same and if a woman doesn't want to risk that, I don't blame her. My wife, for instance, has a history of her family of very difficult pregnancies where the mother, in two cases, almost died. We have no children and plan to adopt and if she accidently became pregnant? I wouldn't think twice about us aborting the fetus in favor of her own life. (And it wouldn't be because of stretch marks )

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by drb85650

of all those who've posted so far, who has had a abortion, or been the male participant of one?

I'm Male - so obviously, I cannot have ever had an abortion.

BUT, due to certain circumstances, I was the one who had to make the decision to abort our child or not. My wife had no input.

Because of this, while I may not personally have had an abortion, I can certainly understand somewhat, the mental strain in making the "yes" or "no" decision.