No Smoking in AZ Bars & Restaurants After May 1st, 2007! (Peoria: living in, law)

[Desertlovers]

JMX:

Where will you be moving to? We're thinking of moving to rural Kansas.

We've never liked the Phoenix area at all....It's too much like LA. We used to drive up to Vegas when we needed to go to a bigger city....but Vegas and Henderson have become a "zoo" and "nightmare" today....with all of their non-stop development, traffic, etc. (So, we hardly ever go up there anymore.)

You're right, the Phoenix metro area controls Arizona, just like Las Vegas and Reno control Nevada. All of the rural counties and cities in Nevada voted against the 2 smoking bans on the ballot....but the small cities and counties are out-numbered, compared to voters in Vegas and Reno. SAD!!! Claire

[AksarbeN]

Let’s look at this smoking issue from yet another point of view.

Would you as a driver park your car in a handicapped parking spot because it was close to the front door of the store that you wanted to go into? Ans: is most likely “no” ?

If I asked you why? Ans: is most likely “because it’s the handicapped spot and it’s the law”.

It’s not written in the constitution that you are privileged to park in a handicapped spot.

Smoking isn’t written into the constitution; nor is “non-smoking” written in the constitution.

So look at it this way for a moment – I’m a nonsmoker who is handicapped and I need air to breathe! The no smoking sign is not much different then the handicapped one, some of us just want to breathe some clean air.

Nonsmokers must be handicapped! If the constitution is good for handicapped and allows for their needs, I as a nonsmoker have a need also!

[Desertlovers]

1.) Smoking is still a legal activity! It's not against the law!

2.) If non-smokers go inside restaurants and bars that allow smoking, this is their choice. Nobody held a gun at their head and forced them to go inside.

3.) As I've said, I'm in favor of MORE non-smoking establishments.

I am not a "my way or the highway" or "winner takes all" type of person....But, this is how a lot of non-smokers seem to be! They don't want to "share" or consider the wants and needs of smokers. In the end, this attitude will backfire and boomerang.....It always does.

And, I have choices too when the smoking ban goes into effect! I plan to stage a boycott, and start some political sites....and go after every politician who pushed for the smoking ban!! We all have choices!!!

[Coyote_Blond]

It just blows the mind.

[SElaine]

Originally Posted by Coyote_Blond

It just blows the mind.

I couldn't agree more. It is absolutely mind blowing. Some of these arguments are beyond absurd and make no bit of sense what so ever. Where in the world do they come up with this stuff?

[aj661]

When I go to a restaurant and look at the customers, one thing is very clear: Second hand smoke is the least of their problems. Who knows? Maybe second hand smoke causes clogged arteries and obesity too. Something to think about as you wash down that 4000 calorie meal with a diet soda in the clean air.

[SElaine]

Originally Posted by aj661

When I go to a restaurant and look at the customers, one thing is very clear: Second hand smoke is the least of their problems. Who knows? Maybe second hand smoke causes clogged arteries and obesity too. Something to think about as you wash down that 4000 calorie meal with a diet soda in the clean air.

Lowering yourself to personal attacks?
That's OK. See, I live in reality and realize I have a problem. I am not in denial about it. I don't pretend it doesn't exist, I don't try to justify it, I don't go around preaching it's legal and therefore my constitutinal right to overeat, and I don't downplay the current and possible health risks. I have had problems with overeating and I battle with it everyday. But, thanks for pointing it out again. I am slowly getting smaller and making better decisions every day and I'm proud of my success. On the rare occassion I slip and eat the wrong things and eat more than I should, I can have the confidence of knowing that it's my problem and that I'm not forcing everyone around me to suffer the consequences of my actions and share in that 4000 calories. And while I may occassionally eat too much, at least I'll be doing it "in the clean air". One problem solved.

[Desertlovers]

I don't use my fireplace...not at all. The odor & smoke from fireplaces bothers me a lot.

Let's say that I tried to force my city council to ban the use of fireplaces, and I expected them to pass a new ordinance outlawing the use of fireplaces all through our town. (All because I don't like fireplaces myself, and the odor from fireplaces makes me feel sick at times!)

Also, let's say that I got a few doctors to say that fireplace smoke could cause cancer. This way, anyone who had a fireplace wouldn't be able to challenge me, since I had doctors backing me up!!

Or, I networked with other people who didn't like fireplace smoke either and we went around "scaring people" with the so-called facts we got from our doctors...and tried to gather up signatures to have a "fireplace ban" put on the ballot.

Let's say we did get it on the ballot, and it only passed by a few percentage points.

When people (who still wanted to use their fireplaces) complained to me....I would constantly "slam them down," and tell them they were "stupid" and make fun of them, etc.....Because by golly, I felt I was "right" and I considered "fireplace lovers" stupid and "wrong."

And, I felt I had a "right" to impose my "will" and my views on everyone...and I didn't feel that anyone else had any "rights" at all!

I would never ever do this. I have never once complained to anyone about fireplaces. I just live it...just like I tolerate a lot of other things too. It's all part of life. I know I can't have "my way" all the time. Life is full of compromises.

I never complained when restaurants created more and more space for non-smokers through the years. (I grew up in the 50's and 60's when there were no "non-smoking" sections at all!) And, I didn't complain when restaurants opened up that were non-smoking either. Because I wanted everyone to be happy, and I knew that I had to "share!"

[aj661]

Originally Posted by SElaine

Lowering yourself to personal attacks?
That's OK. See, I live in reality and realize I have a problem. I am not in denial about it. I don't pretend it doesn't exist, I don't try to justify it, I don't go around preaching it's legal and therefore my constitutinal right to overeat, and I don't downplay the current and possible health risks. I have had problems with overeating and I battle with it everyday. But, thanks for pointing it out again. I am slowly getting smaller and making better decisions every day and I'm proud of my success. On the rare occassion I slip and eat the wrong things and eat more than I should, I can have the confidence of knowing that it's my problem and that I'm not forcing everyone around me to suffer the consequences of my actions and share in that 4000 calories. And while I may occassionally eat too much, at least I'll be doing it "in the clean air". One problem solved.

Hardly a personal attack. I've never met you or anyone else here. Maybe you should read it again. Rather hypocritical of you to be offended by a comment you perceive to be a personal insult after dishing several out yourself. The majority of comments here are attacks on smokers, but that's okay isn't it? Smokers are scum. They are thoughtless, littering cretins who endanger the lives of everyone around them. Ask almost anyone here. Have a nice day.

[AksarbeN]

This tread is starting to look like it’s a HOT button for some people. Please remember that these are personal opinions and not attacks.

Smokers keep going to the constitution and their rights! Nonsmokers see the constitution as protecting their rights. Not all smokers are rude and insensitive also not all nonsmokers are insensitive.

In any case the rights under the constitution are equal rights “smokers and nonsmokers” so smokers need to get over it and stop claiming it is protecting their rights.