Moving to AZ (Phoenix, Mesa, Glendale: hotel, school district, university)

[observer53]

Originally Posted by jaada

its not negitive - its the truth and i post so that others can see the facts not the pretty little sunshine and rainbows people like you want to portray az as. Look up what i wrote - i will even find it for you, so no its not just my truth its in the news check it out.

It's VERY negative---both your attitude, and your spin on everything Yuma. You can find some study or list slamming any number of places in this country for one reason or another -- Yes, Yuma is hot. Yes, the unemployment is bad. (Yuma's not alone there, statewide or nationally) The schools are underfunded (as they are generally in AZ, and in other places.) Oh, and now Yuma has a lot of FAT people (of course, the article says nothing about WHY-- it doesn't mean that if one moves to Yuma they will get fat, like it is in the air or water or something. What does THAT have to do with this subject?

I'm not all "sunshine and rainbows" about AZ, either (you've used that line before too, I think). I recognize that there are issues (and that can be seen from my posts), but I don't tell people not to come here because they won't like it.

We GET that you hate Yuma. (perhaps you'd like somewhere else in AZ better, since your main issues seem to be with Yuma... and I don't think the OP is looking at Yuma anyway.)

I'd be busy doing something about getting out of there, if you are so unhappy that you have to keep telling a bunch of strangers about how much you hate where you live. The weather is nice now... get outside, get some fresh air and exercise... it will lift your spirits.

[ZonyPony]

Originally Posted by jaada

"...you must speak spanish to get most jobs here."

I'm not understanding anyone's problem with this. If I lived and/or worked (in Yuma) next to the Mexican border, and many citizens, residents, legal immigrants, people with work permits, and other Spanish-speaking passers-by did most (if not all) of their business in Spanish, I'd expect employers to hire many Spanish-speaking people as their employees.

It would be the same if Germany, France or Russia was on the border. I would expect that employers would hire people who spoke German, French, or Russian.

Businesses adapt to their environment.

[jaada]

Originally Posted by observer53

It's VERY negative---both your attitude, and your spin on everything Yuma. You can find some study or list slamming any number of places in this country for one reason or another -- Yes, Yuma is hot. Yes, the unemployment is bad. (Yuma's not alone there, statewide or nationally) The schools are underfunded (as they are generally in AZ, and in other places.) Oh, and now Yuma has a lot of FAT people (of course, the article says nothing about WHY-- it doesn't mean that if one moves to Yuma they will get fat, like it is in the air or water or something. What does THAT have to do with this subject?

I'm not all "sunshine and rainbows" about AZ, either (you've used that line before too, I think). I recognize that there are issues (and that can be seen from my posts), but I don't tell people not to come here because they won't like it.

We GET that you hate Yuma. (perhaps you'd like somewhere else in AZ better, since your main issues seem to be with Yuma... and I don't think the OP is looking at Yuma anyway.)

I'd be busy doing something about getting out of there, if you are so unhappy that you have to keep telling a bunch of strangers about how much you hate where you live. The weather is nice now... get outside, get some fresh air and exercise... it will lift your spirits.

lol- yes the weather is nice now and since you like reading my posts so much you should have read why i am still here, its not cause i want to be.

[jaada]

Originally Posted by ZonyPony

I'm not understanding anyone's problem with this. If I lived and/or worked (in Yuma) next to the Mexican border, and many citizens, residents, legal immigrants, people with work permits, and other Spanish-speaking passers-by did most (if not all) of their business in Spanish, I'd expect employers to hire many Spanish-speaking people as their employees.

It would be the same if Germany, France or Russia was on the border. I would expect that employers would hire people who spoke German, French, or Russian.

Businesses adapt to their environment.

really? do you think that if you went to any other country they would cater to you language? i think not we live here in the USA not in mexico, just because we live by the border doesnt mean we have to learn spanish. just for the record i do speak spanish - but i did before i came here

[jaada]

Originally Posted by Grannysroost

Very true! What surprises me is a lot of the negativity comes from people who aren't even here, like nothing else to do. If I disliked someplace that much I would find a way out come 'hell' I am living in or high water, and certainly I would not waste my time telling people how much I hate it...what is to gain from that? My energy would be in getting the hey out of my hell....

That said, not all places are good for everyone, it is truly a personal decision and to gather information is good. I know I wanted to come to Arizona at some point in life, it just happened sooner than expected and I could not be happier, especially when where I am from have had cool weather, snow today, and now a winter snow or storm warning and not even technically mid October..., but I read and researched regardless just to be informed so no real big surprises hit me. Personally, after even just 2 months today, and it was hot in August and the beginning of September, I absolutely love it. I can get up, let my dogs out, make my coffee, and go sit outside and drink it and look at my garden, the birds, etc., and I can do that most days of the year and at night. I am not a shopping, go, go, go person, but it is there when I want it either here, in Phoenix, or Tucson. I have no doubt if I want something to do, I can find it. I rather like this slower pace than what I have been in most of my life. Best of luck to you in your decision!

me too i cant stand when people who dont live in yuma year around want to tell me how wonderful it is here, if its so wonderful stay here year round. also just because someone meaning "me" wants to tell the truth to others on how bad it is here i am going to, because as i have said before and i will say it again i want others to know what it is really like here. you have your opinion and i have mine.

[jaada]

Originally Posted by observer53

It's VERY negative---both your attitude, and your spin on everything Yuma. You can find some study or list slamming any number of places in this country for one reason or another -- Yes, Yuma is hot. Yes, the unemployment is bad. (Yuma's not alone there, statewide or nationally) The schools are underfunded (as they are generally in AZ, and in other places.) Oh, and now Yuma has a lot of FAT people (of course, the article says nothing about WHY-- it doesn't mean that if one moves to Yuma they will get fat, like it is in the air or water or something. What does THAT have to do with this subject?

I'm not all "sunshine and rainbows" about AZ, either (you've used that line before too, I think). I recognize that there are issues (and that can be seen from my posts), but I don't tell people not to come here because they won't like it.

We GET that you hate Yuma. (perhaps you'd like somewhere else in AZ better, since your main issues seem to be with Yuma... and I don't think the OP is looking at Yuma anyway.)

I'd be busy doing something about getting out of there, if you are so unhappy that you have to keep telling a bunch of strangers about how much you hate where you live. The weather is nice now... get outside, get some fresh air and exercise... it will lift your spirits.

oh i have to add i m not negitive just telling facts im actually a nice person as some have gotten to know me. and no i never said that there are not other places that have problems with unemployment but as i showed you we are #2! that is bad, heat is bad, weight is bad , stress is bad. idk maybe where you live its better.

[SouthernBelleInUtah]

Originally Posted by jaada

really? do you think that if you went to any other country they would cater to you language? i think not we live here in the USA not in mexico, just because we live by the border doesnt mean we have to learn spanish. just for the record i do speak spanish - but i did before i came here

Absolutely they do! I have travelled all over Europe and the Caribbean, and Mexico, and everybody spoke English - and quite good english at that. The only place that didn't automatically switch when I began in their langauge was the Czech Republic and then they spoke German first.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by jaada

really? do you think that if you went to any other country they would cater to you language? i think not we live here in the USA not in mexico, just because we live by the border doesnt mean we have to learn spanish. just for the record i do speak spanish - but i did before i came here

Yes, they do, because in other countries they are taught English. Here, we do not put that kind of emphasis on learning a foreign language. Some high schools require it, and many of the students get through it, but they don't take it any further than that, and act like they are being punished having to take the class. Businesses DO have to cater to their clientele, so it's not surprising that many Yuma employers want bilingual employees.

You are entitled to your opinion, and you may be a nice person (all I've been able to gather here is how miserable you are in Yuma) but you just need to recognize that even others who DO live in Yuma year round, and have posted here about their opinions, don't agree with you, and stop acting like yours is the only opinion that counts.

And this thread isn't just about Yuma anyway; interestingly, the OP hasn't been on the forum since August.

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by observer53

Yes, they do, because in other countries they are taught English. Here, we do not put that kind of emphasis on learning a foreign language. Some high schools require it, and many of the students get through it, but they don't take it any further than that, and act like they are being punished having to take the class. Businesses DO have to cater to their clientele, so it's not surprising that many Yuma employers want bilingual employees.

Yes indeed.
You can go almost anywhere in the world, and if Americans are common visitors/residents folks in the hotels, shops, restaurants or nearly any other business will likely speak English - for the simple reason that what their customers speak is what businesses want to be communicate in as well. That's just plain smart (and good) business. Why lose a sale to the competition simply because your employees cannot communicate the potential customer. Having bilingual employees in a place where lots of potential customers speak a foreign language is just free enterprise in action.

Ken

[scottrc5391]

Culture shock?
Please elaborate.
I moved from KY to Tucson and I'm not feeling any of this so-called "culture shock". The place is more politically charged, that's for sure (in the liberal direction), but with so many people here from the upper-midwest, it's just like Chicago transplanted to the desert except with a huge population of Hispanic people. The fact is, AZ (at least Tucson) seems very accepting and tolerant of all kinds of people. It isn't like being a black, mid-western man and moving to a predominantly white neighborhood in Birmingham, AL. It isn't like moving from San Francisco to a small town in Ohio (or vice-versa).