Sarah Palin pal'in around with McCain. (Phoenix: appointed, house, live in)
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Do you think that Sarah Palin's time spent in Phoenix on behalf of McCain will have much of a positive influence on his November Senate run? I'm still not too sure that her presense is going to flip the tables. Of course Hayworth is going to have one heck of a job to beat out McCain in the primaries anyway.
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Although I mostly respect McCain's career, I was very disappointed by his presidential campaign for legitimizing Sarah Palin in the eyes of middle America. His continued association with Palin brings him down in my opinion. He has generally been a reasonable and moderate politician that worked with both parties, and now he legitimized Palin, one of the most polarizing (and many other adjectives that are not fit for print) politicians available.
Also, wasn't there strong evidence after the election showing that Palin played a large part in McCain's loss because she scared off moderates. Isn't her base pretty much just radical religious birthers, anti-abortionists, and Westboro Baptist types.
McCain would easily beat Hayworth in a general election, but, of course, they are both Reps and have to go through the primary. The primary system in AZ (probably like everywhere I guess) is inordinately influenced by the fringe members (aka "the base"). McCain is too liberal for the Republican base in AZ. He is widely despised by them for his illegal immigration positions among other things. Bringing Palin perhaps makes him looker more palatable. On the other hand, what does Palin get out of pal'in around with a moderate Republican when she is trying to push the party hard right?
I dunno though. McCain showed a colossal lack of judgment in selecting her for his VP. It could backfire here. Pal'in with Palin will cost him my vote unless the Dems nominate a complete fool. I think a lot of other INDs will feel the same way.
Last edited by Ponderosa; 02-09-2010 at 01:49 PM..
Although I mostly respect McCain's career, I was very disappointed by his presidential campaign for legitimizing Sarah Palin in the eyes of middle America. His continued association with Palin brings him down in my opinion. He has generally been a reasonable and moderate politician that worked with both parties, and now he legitimized Palin, one of the most polarizing (and many other adjectives that are not fit for print) politicians available.
Also, wasn't there strong evidence after the election showing that Palin played a large part in McCain's loss because she scared off moderates. Isn't her base pretty much just radical religious birthers, anti-abortionists, and Westboro Baptist types.
Just the opposite. Even McCain's campaign manager who has been engaging in a nonstop virtual bickering fit with her since the campaign ended admitted that McCain would have lost by far more without Palin in his camp.
McCain had everything against him, anti-Bush sentiment, anti-Republican sentiment and a base that was anything but excited by his campaign. She might have been the only thing about his campaign that drew actual conservatives, otherwise it was a total and utter disaster. Remember the "I'm going to halt my campaign and go to DC and fix the economy" nonsense? Horribly run campaign.
I do not think that Senator McCain will have any problem in winning the 2010 primary or general election. I personally will vote for Chris Simcox, but I understand that my vote will serve as simply a symbolic vote in favor of certain issues. I do not see Hayworth as a credible challenger against a great man with whom I differ on a few key issues.
Although I mostly respect McCain's career, I was very disappointed by his presidential campaign for legitimizing Sarah Palin in the eyes of middle America. His continued association with Palin brings him down in my opinion. He has generally been a reasonable and moderate politician that worked with both parties, and now he legitimized Palin, one of the most polarizing (and many other adjectives that are not fit for print) politicians available.
Also, wasn't there strong evidence after the election showing that Palin played a large part in McCain's loss because she scared off moderates. Isn't her base pretty much just radical religious birthers, anti-abortionists, and Westboro Baptist types.
I, on the other hand, feel that Sarah legitimized John McCain and brought him up in the eyes of conservatives. After picking Sarah as the VP candidate the polls showed their ticket in the lead for the first (and only) time.
I don't think she should campaign for McCain, but for the opposite reasons you mention.
"Just the opposite. Even McCain's campaign manager who has been engaging in a nonstop virtual bickering fit with her since the campaign ended admitted that McCain would have lost by far more without Palin in his camp."
I am certain that you are correct in this assessment that SP was a net-plus for JM's candidacy for President.
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"McCain had everything against him, anti-Bush sentiment, anti-Republican sentiment and a base that was anything but excited by his campaign. She might have been the only thing about his campaign that drew actual conservatives, otherwise it was a total and utter disaster."
There were some bad moves. But when the economic contraction that some had understood to be in the works for years became readily apparent to the public in Summer and Fall of 2008, any chances for the incumbent party to retain the White House went away with it. Candidate Obama was charismatic, but I doubt that would have been enough for a win without the economic circumstances of the time. I believe that the Lehman collapse was in September, just weeks after the GOP convention. The DOW was heading to a new six year low as the election approached, including one day with the largest single day point drop in history.
But you can only play the hands that you are dealt, whether it be in a Hanoi lake with two broken arms and a broken leg or in a political campaign with the momentum against you.
I, on the other hand, feel that Sarah legitimized John McCain and brought him up in the eyes of conservatives. After picking Sarah as the VP candidate the polls showed their ticket in the lead for the first (and only) time.
I don't think she should campaign for McCain, but for the opposite reasons you mention.
I don't think she legitimized anything. She was a public relations disaster with her utter lack of knowledge in foreign affairs (I can see Russia), her lack of ability to interview (Katie Couric... oooh the big scarry liberal media is out to get me), her lack of social credibility (big social conservative but her teenage daughter had an illegitimate baby), her lack of political credibility (mayor of wasilla, then governor for a very short time with multiple ethics complaints), etc.
I know the teabaggers disagree with many of the issues of the Republicans and Democrats but why don't they get a credible, experienced, and smart person to represent them like Ron Paul.
I don't think she legitimized anything. She was a public relations disaster with her utter lack of knowledge in foreign affairs (I can see Russia), her lack of ability to interview (Katie Couric... oooh the big scarry liberal media is out to get me), her lack of social credibility (big social conservative but her teenage daughter had an illegitimate baby), her lack of political credibility (mayor of wasilla, then governor for a very short time with multiple ethics complaints), etc.
I know the teabaggers disagree with many of the issues of the Republicans and Democrats but why don't they get a credible, experienced, and smart person to represent them like Ron Paul.
The crowds that Sarah attracted during the campaign were many times larger than McCain attracted and she energized the Republican party like he never had up to that point. Obviously, you've been drinking the liberal Kool-Aid so why are you even commenting on Sarah Palin campaigning for John McCain? By the way... there are no illegitimate babies (look it up). There are only babies that are given the chance at life and those that are not.
By the way... there are no illegitimate babies (look it up). There are only babies that are given the chance at life and those that are not.
I'm not sure what you misunderstood about my post but nowhere was there anything about abortion. I will try to explain it a little more clearly here.
An illegitimate baby is one that was born to parents who are not married.
Sarah Palin has a 17 year old daughter named Bristol.
Bristol Palin is/was not married.
During the presidential campaign, Palin's 17 year old daughter, Bristol Palin, was pregnant.
The father was not Bristol's husband.
Therefore, Bristol Palin's baby was illegitimate.
I personally don't care about her family, or any other politician's family but if Palin is going to champion "family values," religion, abstinence, and social conservatism, she should live by those rules. Just like if a politician is going to be an advocate of protecting the environment I would expect him or her not to drive a big SUV/live in a McMansion/be bought out by coal lobbyists, etc.
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