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[quote=Pancho Zarape;14077978]A National ID Card may require a reference number in lieu of your sosh, so as not to compromise ID. Then there may have to be a pin number in order to actually use it in case it was stolen. Then you'd have to cancel your old National ID until you could get your replacement. Then you may have to wait a few weeks to get that.
Or, we could just go out and eradicate all the criminals.[/quote]
Good grief...I'll take the second choice, Alex!
Just what we need...another number to deal with although you make sense that they wouldn't use the SS number, just because... Not to mention yet another PIN number as well. With all the numbers and passwords it's a wonder we can do ANYTHING these days.
Nor did I reference any particular law of ANY state. I only restated what it says in the United States Constitution. We would be better off if more people could tell the difference between State laws and what it says in the Constitution.
Oh boy! Let me quote your message. You wrote:
I am 100% against anyone being here illegally.
I am 100% for fining heavily the companies who employ any illegals.
I am 100% in favor of defending the border better.
I am 100% against passing laws that, while trying to do these things, take away the rights of any one who is here legally, whether they immigrated here or were born here.
In America you can not have laws that take away certain peoples rights because of how they look.
All I asked for clarification on what you wrote above. Now, look at the title of the thread. It is about Arizona law. It may be fair to conclude that your last 100% statement is refering to Arizona. However, I originally asked for you to clarify which law to make sure what law you were talking about for me not to jump into a wrong conclusion. Then you start asking me questions what law I am talking about, about Texas, and now above you start talking about The Constitution. I never said you referenced anything. Please do not read anything I never wrote.
So let me try again: Can you please give me a specific law you are talking about when you wrote: I am 100% against passing laws that, while trying to do these things, take away the rights of any one who is here legally, whether they immigrated here or were born here.
In America you can not have laws that take away certain peoples rights because of how they look.?
That is ALL I asked. No more no less. Disregard anything before about Texas law you mentioned or anything else. Just look at my question above. What law is doing what you claim above. Can you give specifics in the wording? How does it take away rights?
That's all I've ever had to do in any state I've moved to. Some states even let me keep my old DL but punched a hole in it to make it useless. I guess they figure that if you got a DL in the first place...no matter where...that you've already proven citizenship. I got my first DL in Oregon in 1961 and I know I didn't show my birth certificate because I didn't have one at the time. I did have a SS card but don't recall if I used that or not. Too many years ago to remember.
When I moved to Arizona in 1989; aside from handing over my Calif DL and maybe taking a written test............there were no other demands on me i.e. birth certificate, etc.
When I moved to Arizona in 1989; aside from handing over my Calif DL and maybe taking a written test............there were no other demands on me i.e. birth certificate, etc.
I've moved back and forth to AZ from other states so many times and I didn't even have to take a written test that I can recall. I DO have to go in every four years, now that I'm over 62, to get an eyesight check. I've had people actually tell me that now that I'm "getting old" I should be required to take a driving test every four years. For pete's sake... I've never had an accident and only one ticket in my entire life. And the ticket was from Prescott Valley and one of those danged cameras last year.
Do you favor / support allowing the Government know what you are doing / where you are going, all the time?
My point exactly, Real conservatives would not support a National ID and more than Real Conservatives could support violating the 4th Amendment like SB 1070
Your making this Poor MOD bust her/his butt.. calm down would ya people. =)
I had a friend who is a bible thumpin as they come said that a national ID is like the start of the second coming.. the card would be the mark of the beast.. I had to laugh in his face. It was so silly. National ID.. is a bit too big brother for me.. but I see the benefits to it.
I've moved back and forth to AZ from other states so many times and I didn't even have to take a written test that I can recall. I DO have to go in every four years, now that I'm over 62, to get an eyesight check. I've had people actually tell me that now that I'm "getting old" I should be required to take a driving test every four years. For pete's sake... I've never had an accident and only one ticket in my entire life. And the ticket was from Prescott Valley and one of those danged cameras last year.
The state of Arizona would like for licensed drivers to be able to differentiate between legal and illegal pedestrians.
Oh boy! Let me quote your message. You wrote:
I am 100% against anyone being here illegally.
I am 100% for fining heavily the companies who employ any illegals.
I am 100% in favor of defending the border better.
I am 100% against passing laws that, while trying to do these things, take away the rights of any one who is here legally, whether they immigrated here or were born here.
In America you can not have laws that take away certain peoples rights because of how they look.
All I asked for clarification on what you wrote above. Now, look at the title of the thread. It is about Arizona law. It may be fair to conclude that your last 100% statement is refering to Arizona. However, I originally asked for you to clarify which law to make sure what law you were talking about for me not to jump into a wrong conclusion. Then you start asking me questions what law I am talking about, about Texas, and now above you start talking about The Constitution. I never said you referenced anything. Please do not read anything I never wrote.
So let me try again: Can you please give me a specific law you are talking about when you wrote: I am 100% against passing laws that, while trying to do these things, take away the rights of any one who is here legally, whether they immigrated here or were born here.
In America you can not have laws that take away certain peoples rights because of how they look.?
That is ALL I asked. No more no less. Disregard anything before about Texas law you mentioned or anything else. Just look at my question above. What law is doing what you claim above. Can you give specifics in the wording? How does it take away rights?
You have a great day.
El Amigo
I believe that a reasonable person would question whether the AZ immigration law, in its entirety, being discussed in this thread crosses the line, and takes away the rights guaranteed under at least these two amendments. These are both part of the Bill of Rights attached to the US Constitution in 1791.
While I feel that there should be no amnesty, and all illegals should be deported, this is the wrong way. If you wish to see more of my opinion, you can check on the thread "Hundreds seek to fill vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market". Otherwise, I don't know how to be any clearer.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
This law doesn't allow cops or others to just pull over anybody who looks of Latino descent, it allows him to act if he has come in contact due to a crime or violation already. And that includes anybody. I have had the US Border Patrol tear my car apart inside the border 60 miles . . .so what? they told me "OK, you can go" Waht's all the hoop ta la about. I don't understand. No one cares about migrant workers, they just want it done LEGALLY, I think they need to do this to seperate migrant workers from the crimminal eliment that is blemmishing these people's reputation. If I, or ANYbody should decide that this law or that law is not fare, or takes too long does that give me a right to break the law? No then would not I become a criminal as well? If I and my family are extremely hungry would that give me the right to blow every red light or stop sign en route to the grocery store? The logic is insane. We now have BAD poeple who are ripping off these poor migrant workers as well, locking them in houses against their will, leaving them to die in the undesciminating desert, THESE people aren't the bad guys? Where are there any sense to any of this? If this SB1070 is WRONG, then WE as Americans, of ALL races, creeds and colors need to come up with solutions. Here's mine . . . .
1. LOCK DOWN ALL BORDERS instantly.
2. make migration for employment easier,FASTER, safer and LEGAL by issuing gov ID work cards at each passport.
3. Make areas, staffed by US Gov. employees, where employers and migrant workers can register to be united.
4. Make it punishable by fines, license suspensions and enprisonment to hire UDAs.
5. ENFORCE laws currently establish and revise, add to them to make it a crime to sneak into this country illegally and or stay past expirations of visas or permits.
GOOD, BAD, WHATEVER, This nation, the United States of America is a SINKING SHIP taking on water FAST and we are being SWAMPED by all this sitting around ARGUING BULL*****!!!
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