Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act (Chandler: tax credit, acceptance, cash)

[goodneighbor1234]

Billy Bob and Peggy Sue will bring lawsuits to anyone he/she believes is not enforcing immigration law. Jose the neighbor two doors down is a gardner and his english is a little iffy..... Billy Bob will do his duty and call the cops on this invader. If the police don't respond to Billy Bob's satisfaction? Lawsuit time....

In response to fingerlaker's doubt that this provision is in SB 1070 here's the proof:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

G. A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY
12 OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL
13 SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
14 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
15 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW. IF THERE IS A JUDICIAL FINDING THAT AN
16 ENTITY HAS VIOLATED THIS SECTION, THE COURT SHALL ORDER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
17 1. THAT THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE ACTION RECOVER COURT COSTS AND
18 ATTORNEY FEES.
19 2. THAT THE ENTITY PAY A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND
20 DOLLARS AND NOT MORE THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH DAY THAT THE POLICY
21 HAS REMAINED IN EFFECT AFTER THE FILING OF AN ACTION PURSUANT TO THIS
22 SUBSECTION.

[Finger Laker]

an authority/entity can be sued if they implement a policy that creates a policy to not enforce federal immigration law to the extent allowed by federal law

it's wording to prevent "sanctuary cities" - not nearly as maverick as the scenarios that you are presenting

A better scenario would be that tucson adopts the same language that Berkeley, CA uses

No agency, officer or City employee shall use any City funds or resources to assist in the enforcement of Federal immigration law or to disseminate information status [sic] of individuals in the city unless such assistance is required by federal or state statute, regulation or court decision.

Once that policy is enacted a citizens group could bring suit to overturn that policy

Here is a link of examples of places that have such "sanctuary" wording and some various examples of how they put in policies of non-compliance

http://www.nilc.org/immlawpolicy/Loc...2008-12-03.pdf (http://www.nilc.org/immlawpolicy/LocalLaw/locallaw-limiting-tbl-2008-12-03.pdf - broken link)

This is what that language is meant to prevent ..... not supporting paranoid billy bob because he doesn't think someone investigated his neighbor thoroughly
Also, you may want to use the real amended language in 2162

H: A person who is a legal resident of this state may bring an action in superior court to challenge any official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state that adopts or implements a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws, INCLUDING 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTIONS 1373 AND 1644, to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

If there is a judicial finding that an entity has violated this section, the court shall order that the entity pay a civil penalty of not less than FIVE HUNDRED dollars and not more than five thousand dollars for each day that the policy has remained in effect after the filing of an action pursuant to this subsection.

[whitem3]

Originally Posted by goodneighbor1234

Billy Bob and Peggy Sue will bring lawsuits to anyone he/she believes is not enforcing immigration law. Jose the neighbor two doors down is a gardner and his english is a little iffy..... Billy Bob will do his duty and call the cops on this invader. If the police don't respond to Billy Bob's satisfaction? Lawsuit time....

In response to fingerlaker's doubt that this provision is in SB 1070 here's the proof:

G. A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY
12 OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL
13 SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
14 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
15 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.

First, if Billy Bob calls the police to report the gardner Jose, Officer Joe Bolton will ask what crime has he committed. When BB says none, I think he's a illegal, Officer JB will suggest that he call the Border Patrol. BTW, nothing in SB1070 limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws.

[whitem3]

President Obama met this afternoon for 30 minutes in the Oval Office with Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the controversial Arizona immigration bill into law in April.

Obama Meets With Governor Of Arizona On Controversial Immigration Law - Political Punch

[Wyoming Darrell]

Originally Posted by whitem3

First, if Billy Bob calls the police to report the gardner Jose, Officer Joe Bolton will ask what crime has he committed. When BB says none, I think he's a illegal, Officer JB will suggest that he call the Border Patrol. BTW, nothing in SB1070 limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws.

However if you read back a little ways you will find a post with the language in the Constitution that does.

[SoldierBoyBliss]

Love it, but I will believe it when I see it. This President has been real good at talking the talk, but has failed walking the walk.

“The President and Governor agreed that the lack of action to fix the broken system at the federal level is unacceptable. As he did at the recent meeting with Senate Republicans, the President underscored that security measures alone won’t fix the broken borders, there needs to be comprehensive immigration reform that includes: lasting and dedicated resources by which to secure our borders and make our communities safer; holding unscrupulous employers accountable who hire workers illegally and exploit them and providing clear guidance for the many employers who want to play by the rules; and requiring those who have come here illegally to pay a fine, pay back taxes, learn English, and get right with the law.”

Originally Posted by whitem3

Obama Meets With Governor Of Arizona On Controversial Immigration Law - Political Punch

[revelated]

Originally Posted by whitem3

President Obama met this afternoon for 30 minutes in the Oval Office with Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the controversial Arizona immigration bill into law in April.

Obama Meets With Governor Of Arizona On Controversial Immigration Law - Political Punch

30 minutes...in other words, Obama lectured Brewer about how the law is "wrong" instead of listening to Brewer's argument that the whole issue is due to the government not taking action to enforce the same federal law.

[KarmaPhx]

Originally Posted by revelated

30 minutes...in other words, Obama lectured Brewer about how the law is "wrong" instead of listening to Brewer's argument that the whole issue is due to the government not taking action to enforce the same federal law.

His concern is that 50 states will have 50 different laws on immigration, it's a federal issue that needs to be handled by the feds, not state to state.

[revelated]

Originally Posted by KarmaPhx

His concern is that 50 states will have 50 different laws on immigration, it's a federal issue that needs to be handled by the feds, not state to state.

Is the irony of your statement lost on you?

Of course having stovepipe laws is wrong. Of course it's a federal issue and needs to be handled by the feds. The problem is, the feds aren't doing anything which is why Arizona had no choice but to step up.

It's like going to a celebrity meet-and-greet where the security refuses to stop obnoxious jerks from yelling hateful statements at others and horsing around; some vigilant citizens step in and confront these jerks, only to have security stop the heroes and say "no, no no no, that might offend them, we can't let you be so abusive to people who are just expressing their opinion. Let security handle it" yet they don't handle it at all - no. It's YOUR JOB to deal with the problem, so deal with it or let us deal with it. Not in a year, not in 6 months. GET IT DONE NOW. You crammed healthcare reform down our throats, how about cramming REAL immigration enforcement just as hard? Don't be scared because the majority of the illegals happen to be Mexican. Prove that you're not conspiring to get/keep illegal immigrant voters. Show us that you actually give half a damn about the American people. Enforce federal law like you say you should, or to coin a phrase, "Don't talk about it, be about it".

It makes Obama look ignorant, and that's something he can't afford to be. If he has a problem with the states making their law, he needs to get on the ball and get the border secured. Drop the word "amnesty", pick up the word "enforcement" and get it done. Don't give BS excuses that "that's too big of an issue to handle this year" - no, it really isn't. Get it done if it bothers you so much, otherwise get the hell out of the way and let Arizona pave the way for others to do your job. IT's really that simple. It's absolutely absurd that we finally have an issue that the majority of Americans want resolved, yet the government chooses to either ignore the issue, soften the issue, or go the complete opposite direction. It's also absurd that we can be subjected to body scanners, water bottle seizures, and can't have window tint on our cars yet the elected government officials just refuse to hurt the feelings of illegals.

[KarmaPhx]

Originally Posted by revelated

Is the irony of your statement lost on you?

Of course having stovepipe laws is wrong. Of course it's a federal issue and needs to be handled by the feds. The problem is, the feds aren't doing anything which is why Arizona had no choice but to step up.

It's like going to a celebrity meet-and-greet where the security refuses to stop obnoxious jerks from yelling hateful statements at others and horsing around; some vigilant citizens step in and confront these jerks, only to have security stop the heroes and say "no, no no no, that might offend them, we can't let you be so abusive to people who are just expressing their opinion. Let security handle it" yet they don't handle it at all - no. It's YOUR JOB to deal with the problem, so deal with it or let us deal with it. Not in a year, not in 6 months. GET IT DONE NOW. You crammed healthcare reform down our throats, how about cramming REAL immigration enforcement just as hard? Don't be scared because the majority of the illegals happen to be Mexican. Prove that you're not conspiring to get/keep illegal immigrant voters. Show us that you actually give half a damn about the American people. Enforce federal law like you say you should, or to coin a phrase, "Don't talk about it, be about it".

It makes Obama look ignorant, and that's something he can't afford to be. If he has a problem with the states making their law, he needs to get on the ball and get the border secured. Drop the word "amnesty", pick up the word "enforcement" and get it done. Don't give BS excuses that "that's too big of an issue to handle this year" - no, it really isn't. Get it done if it bothers you so much, otherwise get the hell out of the way and let Arizona pave the way for others to do your job. IT's really that simple. It's absolutely absurd that we finally have an issue that the majority of Americans want resolved, yet the government chooses to either ignore the issue, soften the issue, or go the complete opposite direction. It's also absurd that we can be subjected to body scanners, water bottle seizures, and can't have window tint on our cars yet the elected government officials just refuse to hurt the feelings of illegals.

The immigration issue isn't new, and it's not his problem. When Bush was in office it was just as bad, but now that the issue has gotten so much attention everyone is putting it on him.