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Old 06-14-2010, 06:26 AM
 
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1/3 of the country or 17 states perhaps? I can imagine the few blue states that remain sanctuaries would get flooded by millions of illegals leaving the SB1070 states. That would set the ball in motion for people in the sanctuary states to move to our states and it will be a race to the bottom for those states who do not crack down on illegals.

The bottom line is the honest citizen is paying for the illegals in this country - higher health care costs, higher taxes, and the crime. We are throwing a tea party against those who are picking our pockets.
Whoa, now there's something else that angers me. Sanctuaries.

City/Sanctuary states are blatant in their disrespect for FEDERAL law.

Cities and states who openly harbor and protect illegal immigrants should have ALL federal funding rescinded.

Write to your congressperson. Tell him/her how you feel. If you get a form letter in return, call and write to protest the form letter. Let them know you WILL NOT VOTE FOR THEM if they don't get on the "for the people" bandwagon. Demand to see their name sponsoring or supporting legislation that mirrors public sentiment. Honestly, those people live in a fantasy world.

Let's take them out of it.

 
Old 06-14-2010, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Joe Yanez, a real estate broker from Orange County, Calif., said he senses something strange in the looks he gets after crossing the Arizona-California line.

Read more: Californians protest Arizona immigration law
 
Old 06-14-2010, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Joe Yanez, a real estate broker from Orange County, Calif., said he senses something strange in the looks he gets after crossing the Arizona-California line.

Read more: Californians protest Arizona immigration law
What did he expect, to be greeted in open arms? He came to a protest at the state capitol, and considering most people in AZ support SB1070 some opposition and hostility to those supporting illegal immigration is expected.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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I wonder if it was a "SHORT BUS"?

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Joe Yanez, a real estate broker from Orange County, Calif., said he senses something strange in the looks he gets after crossing the Arizona-California line.

Read more: Californians protest Arizona immigration law
 
Old 06-14-2010, 11:04 PM
 
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You've never seen East San Jose, or East LA CA then? Or, several areas around Mesa,AZ? Or the Portrero district in SF? I could go on but I'm sure you get the idea.
While they're not named little mexico persay if you go there you'll notice every sign is in Spanish, everyone speaks Spanish and every store has some kind of hispanic bend to it. Thinking about it I'm no big fan of the China towns or Littly Italy thing either for no other reason than it's like a city/country within a city/country. The glaring difference though is they've never stated a goal of taking over parts of this country.
The bold is the key here; it strikes me that you just might have a problem with Mexicans congregating with other Mexicans for some reason...you're contributing to the side of the people who denounce the Arizona law as "racist" when it's not. When people like you make statements like that, it lets the hip huggers say "SEE???? SEE???? RACISM!!".

The underlined part is the bait. A statement that has no basis in fact from where I'm sitting.

I'd like you to point me to an article that clearly shows (read: NOT ALLUDES, INFERS, IMPLIES, OR HINTS AT) one or more Mexican illegal immigrants publicly stating "...a goal of taking over parts of this country". Seriously. If you can find such an article I'd be interested in reading it. I'm willing to wager that such an article does not exist, because to my knowledge, no illegal immigrant has said they want to take over any of the US. They may have their Brown Pride, and they do want to congregate with like kind, but that's not "taking over" anything.

Don't misunderstand me. I see what's going on - they come, pull the race card knowing Americans will back off. But let's be honest with ourselves here. There's a clear difference between your dislike of things and my dislike of the way things are being handled.
 
Old 06-15-2010, 12:17 AM
 
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Ok. try LA RAZA, they have an agenda to reclaim what they feel was unlawfully taken from them, this is their land.. you'll note the images provided as backup proof.

National Council of La Raza

You can also look at MEChA and Aztlan.

What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA

Photographic proof:





You asked, I provided.

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Mexican illegal immigrants publicly stating "...a goal of taking over parts of this country". Seriously. If you can find such an article I'd be interested in reading it. .
 
Old 06-15-2010, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Haha, this is "are" land? No wonder they haven't accomplished anything.
 
Old 06-15-2010, 06:24 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Ok. try LA RAZA, they have an agenda to reclaim what they feel was unlawfully taken from them, this is their land.. you'll note the images provided as backup proof.

National Council of La Raza
Come on dude, La Raza, really? You can find a targeted area of wackjobs in any demographic regarding any cause. It would be similar to me posting a link to NABLA and using it as "proof" that all middle aged men want to have relations with young boys. Or that people that shoot abortion doctors are representative of the entire Pro Life movement. It's silly.

Don't let knee jerks dictate your behavior, America is suffering because we have lost our analytical ability. Everything is based on action vs. reaction now and intelligent discussion and discourse has been replaced by infantile name calling and pigeon holing. It's truly tragic that the images that dominate our news and form our opinions are of those who can shout the loudest and produce the most venom.
 
Old 06-15-2010, 06:29 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The bold is the key here; it strikes me that you just might have a problem with Mexicans congregating with other Mexicans for some reason...you're contributing to the side of the people who denounce the Arizona law as "racist" when it's not. When people like you make statements like that, it lets the hip huggers say "SEE???? SEE???? RACISM!!".

The underlined part is the bait. A statement that has no basis in fact from where I'm sitting.

I'd like you to point me to an article that clearly shows (read: NOT ALLUDES, INFERS, IMPLIES, OR HINTS AT) one or more Mexican illegal immigrants publicly stating "...a goal of taking over parts of this country". Seriously. If you can find such an article I'd be interested in reading it. I'm willing to wager that such an article does not exist, because to my knowledge, no illegal immigrant has said they want to take over any of the US. They may have their Brown Pride, and they do want to congregate with like kind, but that's not "taking over" anything.

Don't misunderstand me. I see what's going on - they come, pull the race card knowing Americans will back off. But let's be honest with ourselves here. There's a clear difference between your dislike of things and my dislike of the way things are being handled.
Actually the only problem I have is anyone congregating in a group that refuses to assimilate and tries to take the area around them and turn it into what they left. As for the racist part, I won't even dignify that with a response.

Oh, I did find this obvious racist police force though:

How is this for a straight answer... POLK COUNTY FLORIDA SHERIFF GRADY JUDD An illegal alien in Polk County Florida who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop ended up 'executing' the deputy who stopped him. The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed. A state-wide manhunt ensued. The murderer was found hiding in a wooded area and as soon as he took a shot at the SWAT team, officers opened fire on him. They hit the guy 68 times. Naturally, the liberal media went nuts and asked why they had to shoot the poor undocumented immigrant 68 times. Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel: 'Because that's all the ammunition we had..' Now, is that just about the all-time greatest answer or what! The Coroner also reported that the illegal alien died of natural causes.. When asked by a reporter how that could be since there were 68 bullet wounds in his body, he simply replied "when you are shot 68 times you are naturally gonna die."
 
Old 06-15-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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Actually the only problem I have is anyone congregating in a group that refuses to assimilate and tries to take the area around them and turn it into what they left.
In other words, diversity is not acceptable. Is that what you're saying?

Because...in that case, you've got it all backwards. It's the rest of us that should "assimilate" to the Native American culture and customs, because you might not be aware, but if you're any race except Native American, you're effectively "...congregating in a group that refuses to assimilate and tries to take the area around them and turn it into...." in this case, what your ancestors left. Let us not forget that White, Black, Asian, Latino, Pinoy, Cuban, Rican...we're all immigrants compared to Native Americans. You don't see them yelling at us to "assimilate" to their culture and you don't see us scrambling to join their tribes - just hit up their casinos and make them money.

A diatribe, yes. But I wanted to make a point...your disgust of races that congregate within themselves is unfounded and almost hypocritical when you accept that you, by your ancestry, are also an immigrant, historically speaking.


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Originally Posted by SoldierBoyBliss View Post
Ok. try LA RAZA, they have an agenda to reclaim what they feel was unlawfully taken from them, this is their land.. you'll note the images provided as backup proof.

National Council of La Raza

You can also look at MEChA and Aztlan.

What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA
This was too good to pass up. First, the NCLR. It's funny you added them as a rebuttal source, since I found this. From your own link, some light reading:

National Council of La Raza: Reconquista and Segregation (http://www.nclr.org/section/reconquista/ - broken link)

National Council of La Raza: Viewpoints (http://www.nclr.org/content/viewpoints/detail/42620/ - broken link)

What’s in a Name? The Defamation of the National Council of La Raza | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center


That third link is of particular interest. I like to add you to the first sentence; you share a lot with Derbyshire as I read this article.

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Originally Posted by splcenter.org
Had he bothered to check it out — rather than simply grasping for an argument to support his angry nativism — Derbyshire also would have found that the NCLR site clearly condemns ethnic separatist organizations. The group even has repeatedly disavowed certain founding documents of the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicanos de Aztlan (MEChA), a fellow Latino rights organization that is not a racist separatist group but did, more than 40 years ago, publish what NCLR characterizes as “inappropriate rhetoric.”
Please...don't continue. Every major race has some whackjob underground that wants supremacy for their race. You can't condemn the entire race for the actions of a select few who don't have their head screwed on straight.


Look, both of you. Let's not cloud the true issue here. All you're doing is fueling this "racism" fire that people are yelling about. You need to focus on the TRUE issue: people, of any race, coming into this country illegally, not following due process of law, consuming jobs and resources illegally, not paying taxes, and increasing the crime rate. That's all that matters.
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