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Old 05-27-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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Thanks for all the responses, as the OP and after spending some time researching all the arguments either for or against SB 1070 and the Federal Government's unwillingness to enforce the existing U.S. immigration laws, I must say I agree with Arizona's decision. I look forward to moving to Phoenix in the fall!
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Old 05-27-2010, 05:32 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by azriverfan. View Post
Yeah, the wrong type of people will be considering Arizona now. Sorry but this law isn't going to attract engineers, doctors, lawyers and other highly educated people. Generally speaking, highly educated people are socially liberal regardless of whether they vote Republican or Democrat. The state now has a reputation for being racist. The state is going to attract hate groups, militia members and rednecks. I'm not in favor of attracting those idiots. Sorry but Billy Bob and his "Patriots" who go to gun shows are not starting companies in Arizona and bringing jobs.

I don't know where to begin with this post. Ok, first off I'm far from a racist, redneck,hater or a militia member...I'm a very respected small business owner ( 24 years ) who's been considering moving to Az. for some time now. This law makes it all the more enticing especially since where I'm coming from is PRO ILLEGAL ! I might not be "Highly Educated" enough for your standards but then again I would never want to be associated with someone like you anyways! The only people who are making this a racist bill are the ones who should look in the mirror,they're the true racist! This bill is about protecting the state and the people who live there,the same laws that the federal govt. should be upholding! Have you ever seen Mexico's immigration laws? They're far more strict than ours!


1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
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2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
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3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
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4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
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5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.
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6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
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7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
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8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
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9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
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10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
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Too strict?......

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Old 05-28-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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Wow... I want to move this back on topic - moving to AZ better now or not, now that 1070 was passed.

We were looking to move to AZ, as we currently live in the Midwest, and my wife used to live in AZ and would like to move back for the weather and lifestyle it affords. 1070 is a non-issue in that respect.

However, our political views would not be considered conservative, not by a long shot. So, the the sad thing about this debate - and echoed on this post (but has been removed or moved to anther posting - see moderator's post). There is an overwhelming feeling that the bigoted folks (like the guy who posted here about not wanting "African stories taught in schools" and other myopically narrow-minded things) are the majority of who lives in AZ. THAT is what dissuades people from wanting to visit or move there.

Maybe that is what those types of people want - to scare off the good, real, people... who knows what keeps people so ignorant and mean.

But we feel that we could enjoy the state and overlook those folks who feel the need to force their bigoted ways and ideology on those around them.

I would agree that our laws, as a nation, need to be enforced especially at our borders - without exception, Canada as well.

Our laws should be executed "blind" (you remember the stature of Lady Justice and the blindfold?) and that is where the outrage seems to stem - this law is, by design, focused at those of Hispanic descent. There IS a problem at the U.S. Mexico border and something thoughtful needs to be done - agreed. But is this that thoughtful solution?

One would think that the issue could be debated without all the hate infused into it... but there seems to be a mentality that those with the most hateful things to say are the loudest.

Anyhow... 1070 is a starting place for this issue and some good will come from it - a national debate and hopefully some concrete, productive actions.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Western AZ
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Then you know that capitalists don't like volatility and the stock market certainly reflects that. Why would a company choose to invest in Arizona if the state is undergoing boycotts. Why would tourism related businesses invest in Arizona knowing there are an increasing number of cancellation of events? I'm a Republican too. I'm also a physician who attended an Ivy League school. Republicans vary and many are socially liberal but vote Republican because they are fiscally conservative. I would also agree that most CEO's are Republican but are also socially liberal. There is a difference between a Wall Street Republican and a Tea Party Republican. These Republicans want to save taxes not violate civil liberties so you are incorrectly assuming that all Republicans are alike and socially conservative. And statistically speaking, Democrats have attained a higher level of education and earn a higher average income than Republicans FYI
Your cause and effect is skewed. It’s not that Democrats have attained a higher level of education, it’s that the institutions of higher learning have become institutions of liberal indoctrination. So instead of graduating students of higher education they are graduating students of socialism. If you don’t believe this you need to do your own hands-on research as I have with my own children attending college.

I have been a business owner for over 30 years and I will put my “real-life” education up against any liberal college graduate. Also, my income FYI.
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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Over half of this is off topic or more name calling.

If your posts are missing they were moved to the Illegal Immigrant law thread as they were off topic here or off topic totally. If this veers like that again I will just merge it with the other.
Again...
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Old 05-29-2010, 04:12 AM
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Wow... I want to move this back on topic - moving to AZ better now or not, now that 1070 was passed.

We were looking to move to AZ, as we currently live in the Midwest, and my wife used to live in AZ and would like to move back for the weather and lifestyle it affords. 1070 is a non-issue in that respect.

However, our political views would not be considered conservative, not by a long shot. So, the the sad thing about this debate - and echoed on this post (but has been removed or moved to anther posting - see moderator's post). There is an overwhelming feeling that the bigoted folks (like the guy who posted here about not wanting "African stories taught in schools" and other myopically narrow-minded things) are the majority of who lives in AZ. THAT is what dissuades people from wanting to visit or move there.

Maybe that is what those types of people want - to scare off the good, real, people... who knows what keeps people so ignorant and mean.

But we feel that we could enjoy the state and overlook those folks who feel the need to force their bigoted ways and ideology on those around them.

I would agree that our laws, as a nation, need to be enforced especially at our borders - without exception, Canada as well.

Our laws should be executed "blind" (you remember the stature of Lady Justice and the blindfold?) and that is where the outrage seems to stem - this law is, by design, focused at those of Hispanic descent. There IS a problem at the U.S. Mexico border and something thoughtful needs to be done - agreed. But is this that thoughtful solution?

One would think that the issue could be debated without all the hate infused into it... but there seems to be a mentality that those with the most hateful things to say are the loudest.

Anyhow... 1070 is a starting place for this issue and some good will come from it - a national debate and hopefully some concrete, productive actions.
You have to keep things in perspective. Anonymous forums generally tend to attract extremist views. I hate to generalize but consider the type of people who post in venues like this. I think there are healthy minded individuals who engage in these forums to seek and offer advice. But with regard to opinionated discussions, the majority of opinions seem to be extremist in nature. I think extremists don't feel like they can express themselves openly in public so they congregate on web sites like this. My experience of Arizona does not reflect the opinions posted on this forum. I have not experienced racism in this state. I do feel like most people try to be respectful regardless of their conservative leanings. I do feel like the Phoenix metropolitan area is fairly liberal particularly with those under the age of 40. Being young, I generally associate with people who fit this demographic so I don't see the gun toting neo-cons that supposedly exist here. Another thing to remember is Arizona's two other large cities, Tucson and Flagstaff are liberal and opposed SB1070.

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Old 06-01-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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You have to keep things in perspective. Anonymous forums generally tend to attract extremist views. I hate to generalize but consider the type of people who post in venues like this. I think there are healthy minded individuals who engage in these forums to seek and offer advice. But with regard to opinionated discussions, the majority of opinions seem to be extremist in nature. I think extremists don't feel like they can express themselves openly in public so they congregate on web sites like this. My experience of Arizona does not reflect the opinions posted on this forum. I have not experienced racism in this state. I do feel like most people try to be respectful regardless of their conservative leanings. I do feel like the Phoenix metropolitan area is fairly liberal particularly with those under the age of 40. Being young, I generally associate with people who fit this demographic so I don't see the gun toting neo-cons that supposedly exist here. Another thing to remember is Arizona's two other large cities, Tucson and Flagstaff are liberal and opposed SB1070.

Thank you for your response and who and what online forums can attract...

You did say you have "not experienced racism in this state", does that mean you are non-white? I'm asking because I am as well and would like to know the day-to-day living that I would experience there. Here it is a non-issue - I never think about what part of town I might not be welcome in and should avoid. Here, there are some predominately African American neighborhoods as well as white ones... But there would be little issue with walking/living where you want. I guess my question stems from some southern African Americans I know... They seem to have a deeper acceptance of the "traditional" separations and exclusion of the Southern social dynamic and therefore don't seem to notice or care when the subtle (not overt) attitudes of racism pops up.

I just would like some frank views on what its like for a non-white and does 1070 amp up the negative with inter-race relations - not just Mexican Americans... ?

Thanks
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:18 AM
 
Location: southern california
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i would strongly consider it. was just there. only place in america where fast food servers are anglo.
it reminds me of the 50's.
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Old 06-01-2010, 03:25 PM
 
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I think that you people are a bunch of racists!! They are people like you and me, the only thing seperating us is SOME STUPID DOCUMENTS!!! are we gonna go back to the time where we didnt give any kind of rights to the black, but now its the immigrants... They take up most of the jobs we dont want ..for example cleaning houses,, who the **** would want to clena toilets?? exactly my point.. i hate what has become of this country.. its is not the fault that the government didnt do anythignt o give those poor people some papers.. and if they were give papers, they would also pay for the taxes BUT instead we decide that they dont deserve it??? The kids from illegal parents have absolutely no blame.. we are gonna take education away from those poor souls?? you people are racists and if it was happenging to you, i am sure you would ***** about it!
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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lildoggieloverr, That is a bunch of bull-hockey. Sure there maybe some who support this from a raciest view. But the majority of the people only want the LAWS of the USA to be adhered too. Have the undocumented get in line and come over legally and then they can clean toilets if they want too, or strive for better things without fear of being deported. I find your train of thought to be raciest because you want your own little slave to clean for you, what happened to personal pride and cleaning your own toilet, I do.
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