[highliner]

I've been trying to stay away from this topic, since a few people on this site have been threatening to ban a certain black man who won't be pushed around. What an unwise threat that is, in this day of criminal prosecutions of civil rights violators. By the way, is by any chance one of you actually Herbert Fowler, once the Imperial Wizard of the Dale Battalion of the Invisible Knights of the Ku Klux Klan-Southern Indiana Realm? One of you has posted with significant word choices that bring him solidly to mind. Word is, that he went straight to 'Arky' after leaving the Lagrange(KY)-slash-Luther Luckett Correctional Complex area. Also,I note ,from my many contacts among my law enforcement colleagues, that a large number of white people around Harrison(AR), are trying to force the closure of the Klan establishment there. Those must be some of those icky multiculturalists to whom you made reference earlier. Funny thing though, in my forays into the Paragould area, one of the first things that the majority of folks do, is to publicly distance themselves from the actions/idiocies of the Klan and other anti-Christ, gutless, un-American terrorist organizations. This seems to contradict your vision of white solidarity. I consider it to be a true honor, every time I put another Klansman into the back of a Crown Vic. Pleasant dreams.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by DFWMike

These sound like kids, perhaps they're just trying to start a flame war. There's kind of a nanner nanner kind of tone to their arguments. If they are adults then I very much so feel sorry for these guys. The country is becoming more multicultural by the year, if you're not willing to accept that and try to make the best of it, you're in for a lot of pain in the future.

I have a icky feeling I shouldn't be in this thread without wearing a white hood.

Well, I checked hubcaps other posts, and he appears to be an adult. Course I'm from one of those hated multicultural cities that export gangs to Northeast Arkansas. Glad there is another person(Magrack) from Heber Springs on this forum to represent different points of view from your area.

I'm not fond of people moving in and trying to change the places they are moving to. But there is a line where maybe change might be needed, and I think hubcap crossed it. Wouldn't have commented on this thread at all except you brought back some bad memories of people similiar to you I was forced to grow up next to in East Texas. Yes, I'm white btw, but when you don't follow the redneck code with these guys things get uncomfortable for people of all races who disagree with them. And before you go off calling me a liberal I've voted at least 75% republican since I could vote.

DFWMike, I wouldn't call you a liberal at all. I am right to center and do agree with what you are saying. I do, however know that reverse discrimination exists as well. I was affected by it when living and working in the Dallas area. My entire carreer was stopped dead in the middle of my success by reverse discrimination and a few that simply didn't like me because of my color, my age and a few other things. I do think I was thought of, by many, as the middle aged, white, rich woman, working just to keep busy. Middle aged, right, white, right, working and rich, I hardly think so....

I guess I am still, at my age niave, I don't see why color, religion, education or any of this has to play in judginig people. You would think I would have grown up: I guess I never will. Nita:cool:

[happynoodleboycey]

Originally Posted by hubcap

So, before anyone goes around tossing terms like "racist","hater","bigot","hate", or other anti-white terminology; come to realize that any certain area of rural Arkansas has underlying currents which support the beauty and difference of culture that is not seamlessly blended in with mainstream America.

I don't want to start a big argument or anything but I just thought I'd point out that not all racists are white. There are blacks who hate whites, asians who hate Jews, etc, etc. The word 'racist' isn't anti-white at all and could be applied to someone of any race.

Anyway, responding to the original post in full, although I can't say I'd particularly want to myself, I don't have any problem with people wanting to live in an all white town. What I would have a problem with however is if a non-white individual moved to the area and was discriminated against. Other than that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect yours fully.

[Victor912]

I agree. But just want to add not only discriminated against, but threatened or hurt/injured in any way. Although I can't imagaine anyone wanting to move to an area saturated with this sociological mindset. Too many choices these days....Unless of course they did it unknowingly.... I don't want to make that mistake. Still waiting for a response to my question to hubcap...

[magrack]

Originally Posted by DFWMike

.... Glad there is another person(Magrack) from Heber Springs on this forum to represent different points of view from your area.

....

I'm not from Heber, it's just the closest big town (6500).

I don't live in any town, and the town I do live closest to, might not even show up on some maps, although you can google it.

Closest shopping, banking, my doctor, etc ,are there so I'm in Heber quite a bit.

I'm not in any town because I don't want to live close to people and can't stand the problems that occur when too many people live too close to each other, regardless of race or culture.

People fussing because of music played too loud, traffic, dogs doing business in other peoples yard, people busting through town at midnight at mach 2 with a bad muffler. people tossing trash out of car windows instead of into a litterbag, blah, blah.

That puts me into the category of "grumpy old fart", but generally speaking, I'm not fond of hordes of people, because within any large group of people, there are some who don't fit the societal norms, and add the pressures of living in densely packed cities and socio-economic differences, and there are issues I don't wish to deal with at this stage of my life.

Sometimes, I don't even like myself.

I chose to live in North Central AR for basically two reasons, My family is here, and the population density is a little more than 40 per square mile in the general area of where I live, although it's about 6 per square mile in the immediate area, maybe as many as 8, not counting dogs and horses.

I'm giving you a little insight into my psyche so there is no confusion as to what I post reference this thread.

I have over 30 years association with the US military, first as an Air Froce brat during the time I lived with my stepfather and over 20 years of my own Army service,

I am used to working with people of differing ethnic, racial or cultural backgrounds. (As an aside, I wish the draft had never ended as it forced a lot of young men to live and work with people they would not have otherwise come in contact with; didn't necessarily make everyone like each other, but it did require people to understand that differences were just differences).

As silly as it is, no single group can claim exclusivity as to the type of post presented by the OP, and though I don't agree with it, I recognize his right to present his views; it is, after all, America and the freedom of speech is one of our greatest rights.

We have the right to agree with or argue against those views.

Fair enough.

Let's take a good hard look at Cleburne (pronounced Clay-burn, although I do hear people pronounce it Clee-burn) County and Heber Springs.

Cleburne County is 98+% Caucasian. Most of it is sloped land. Not suitable for row cropping or any major farming enterprises. There are exceptions of course, but mostly it's poor land.

Most of the land is family land, held for generations and though crops can be grown, it's usually enough to sustain that family and maybe a bit more, but certainly not enough to require a large work force.

There is no industrial presence, or rather there are only light industries. The population base is quite small, roughly 27,000 people for over 500 square miles.

There is no reason for large industry to move here. No immediately available workforce, nor infrastructure to support workers, limited housing (80% of the homes in the County are family owned). Limited rentals means less of a transient population.

Compare this to Pulaski County (LR)..population density, 468 in 770 square miles with 60% home ownership.

Many more people, more crime, more noise, more traffic, more problems. You can have it, I'll take North Central Arkansas any day. I like the peace and quiet.

Cleburne County median household income (2004) 33K (2K less than the state average), Pulaski County(2004) 40K.

Who moves to a place where there are no jobs, no housing (there were only 63 building permits issued in 2005) where you're going to make 20% less money (assuming you can find a job)

These figures from the US Census bureau, BTW.

That's why the area is essentially unchanged from what it was years ago, not because of "pro-white organizations".

I like Heber. nice town, , reasonably conservative. Strong sense of community, low crime rate, more property crimes than violent crimes, quiet (after 6PM, not much traffic except around Wal-Mart, even during the season.

Rarely even one car parked on the main drag after 6.

No movie theatre, no bars or clubs, just a few restaurants that are quite busy during the season, but many of which struggle during the winter.

You see, Heber survives on the tourist dollar. GFL is a big draw..many camping and boating activities. Many boat dealers (for a town it's size). Heber can't afford to alienate those who bring money, and doesn't.

I don't like the tourists.. I fish GFL and I'm tired of people not respecting the No Wake zones or parents that allow their kids to swim in and around the launch facilities; it''s dangerous, but then I'm a grumpy old fart.

I've seen mixed race couples in town, don't know if they're local or just passing through, but I have yet to see any outward signs from the people around them (snide comments or looks) that leads me to believe that the OP's POV is common. Of course, I don't know everyone in town or what people say in private, and have to judge by what I observe.

There are other races in Heber, it's the most racially diverse town in the county, but in a county that is 98% Caucasian, we're not talking a large number of people.

It's going to change. ASU is opening a new campus...ASU-Heber Springs.

When a town becomes a college town, things change.

We'll see where it goes.

After all that, I'd like the area to stay pretty much as it is, but for a drastically different reason...I might have mentioned it before...I don't like people, and this thread just reminds me why.

If it changes, it will be because more people have moved in.

/ grumpy old fart mode

[hubcap]

Originally Posted by Victor912

I must say after my initial reading of this post I was somewhat disturbed. But after reading it a couple more times I found it quite informative.

Althought as an African American I obviously don't agree with a lot of what you say. In my opinion one has only to watch the news, read the newspaper and note the arrests of the latest child abusers, multiple rapist, murderers. thiefs, etc to see no race hass a monopoly on any area of crime in this nation.

What I do appreciate is your honesty. Living in California I have found there are people who have shall we say "preferences" when it comes to race but try to hide it or appear at least in public that they do not. Frankly, I would much rather know where a person stands then be mislead. At least that way I can be on guard and prepared.

At this point, my primary concern would be how widespread YOUR specific convictions are. I am planning on moving to Cherokee Village and would appreciate your honest opinion as to the "climate" there.

First, I think the law states you currently have the right to move anywhere you want to in America. That is not to say that you will be automatically received well by all in any given area.

It is really how much sense you are born with when it comes to the application of your own personal thoughts, really.

Would you wander out on foot in the middle of I-10 around El Monte at 2:45 PM PST?

You currently have the right to do so, but would it be the smart thing to do?
You have to live with your choices regardless of the outcome.

Now, for an intellectual look at current statistics:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Age, Gender, and Race

Hmmmm,.......
It appears to be confirmed that some problem cannot be ignored, at least very much longer.

The numbers tell the tale.

[mdz]

Thread closed. Keep race issues out of the state boards please.