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Old 05-10-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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Fortunately, we are not number 1. That goes to West Virginia. No Surprise there. 2nd and 3rd are Mississippi and Kentucky...again, no surprise.

Among the factors in computing Arkansas Misery were:

Median Income: $37,823 (3rd Lowest)
% Obese: 30.3% (Tied for 4th Highest)
Unemployment: 7.8% (19th Lowest)

Despite having a relatively healthy state economy with regards to employment, Arkansas has the third lowest average median income. The state’s residents, therefore, have many of the problems connected to poverty. Alabama has the fourth highest obesity rate in the country, 30.3%, along with Louisiana and South Carolina. It also has the sixth highest rate of diabetes, 13.3%, along with Ohio. Arkansas has the lowest rate of all states for people who exercise frequently, with 47%.: The Ten Most Miserable States - 24/7 Wall St. The Ten Most Miserable States - 24/7 Wall St.[/LEFT]
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Old 05-10-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Fortunately, we are not number 1. That goes to West Virginia. No Surprise there. 2nd and 3rd are Mississippi and Kentucky...again, no surprise.

Among the factors in computing Arkansas Misery were:

Median Income: $37,823 (3rd Lowest)
% Obese: 30.3% (Tied for 4th Highest)
Unemployment: 7.8% (19th Lowest)

Despite having a relatively healthy state economy with regards to employment, Arkansas has the third lowest average median income. The state’s residents, therefore, have many of the problems connected to poverty. Alabama has the fourth highest obesity rate in the country, 30.3%, along with Louisiana and South Carolina. It also has the sixth highest rate of diabetes, 13.3%, along with Ohio. Arkansas has the lowest rate of all states for people who exercise frequently, with 47%.: The Ten Most Miserable States - 24/7 Wall St. The Ten Most Miserable States - 24/7 Wall St.[/left]
Believe it or not CA was ranked toward the top just a few months ago: don't know if it was the same survey or study. You are smart enough to know these reports mean absolutely nothing. We are ranked 4th today and the poll that comes out next week will say AR is among the top states for business or bV has the healthiest seniors orn HSV is the best place for senior to consider retiring, etc.

Nita
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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Believe it or not CA was ranked toward the top just a few months ago: don't know if it was the same survey or study. You are smart enough to know these reports mean absolutely nothing. We are ranked 4th today and the poll that comes out next week will say AR is among the top states for business or bV has the healthiest seniors orn HSV is the best place for senior to consider retiring, etc.

Nita
I would doubt that CA would be in the top 4 of this particular poll. True, the poll depends on what ever criteria that they choose to use. I have no doubt that Arkansas will do well in polls that have to do with senior living.

However, polls that include obesity and average incomes will always find Arkansas near the bottom because we are always near the bottom in terms of average income and obesity. This is not a weekly or yearly variable. It does not seem to get better year to year and without fail, West Virginia is almost always worse than us. Polls that have more to do with poverty will usually not reflect well on Arkansas as it is a poor state.

I was surprised about the amount of inactivity. There is really no good excuse for being so lazy.
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Old 05-10-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I would doubt that CA would be in the top 4 of this particular poll. True, the poll depends on what ever criteria that they choose to use. I have no doubt that Arkansas will do well in polls that have to do with senior living.

However, polls that include obesity and average incomes will always find Arkansas near the bottom because we are always near the bottom in terms of average income and obesity. This is not a weekly or yearly variable. It does not seem to get better year to year and without fail, West Virginia is almost always worse than us. Polls that have more to do with poverty will usually not reflect well on Arkansas as it is a poor state.

I was surprised about the amount of inactivity. There is really no good excuse for being so lazy.
I don't remember where, but it was in the top 10 for misary and the residence were not happy.

As for AR, much of what you say is true but we also have to remember the poverty, like in many states pertains to certain regions of the state. NM had people who were much laxzier than many we see here and the poverty was quite similar. It was almost 3rd world. The only thing that keeps it from being at the top is Sadia labs and Las Alamos. This helps balance the low income and lack of education. As for fitness, again, the majority of the state is totally unfit, but Albuquerque, a few years ago was ranked one of the most fit cities in the country. You just can't put too much into these polls. When you state, city, community looks good it gives you bragging rights, that is the only time it really makes a heck of a lot of difference and then it only last for a little while. BTW, I certainly didn't mean this study comes out weekly, you know I didn't. I was being a smart Ass. But there are different studies constantly on similar subjects, none ever agree.
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Old 05-10-2011, 11:05 PM
 
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I would doubt that CA would be in the top 4 of this particular poll. True, the poll depends on what ever criteria that they choose to use. I have no doubt that Arkansas will do well in polls that have to do with senior living.

However, polls that include obesity and average incomes will always find Arkansas near the bottom because we are always near the bottom in terms of average income and obesity. This is not a weekly or yearly variable. It does not seem to get better year to year and without fail, West Virginia is almost always worse than us. Polls that have more to do with poverty will usually not reflect well on Arkansas as it is a poor state.

I was surprised about the amount of inactivity. There is really no good excuse for being so lazy.
long hot summers made me lazy...
then the fried foods didn't add any bounce to my step...
The survey has plenty of truth to it and yes many miserable people live there but many others seem to like it. Active lifestyles and being able to make ends meet can do wonders for one's contentment.
Of course people who are already well off when they move to one of the more prosperous parts of the state will have a favorable view.
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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long hot summers made me lazy...
then the fried foods didn't add any bounce to my step...
The survey has plenty of truth to it and yes many miserable people live there but many others seem to like it. Active lifestyles and being able to make ends meet can do wonders for one's contentment.
Of course people who are already well off when they move to one of the more prosperous parts of the state will have a favorable view.
you got it. This holds true for any state, I don't care what one, the difference some states do have more poverty than others. Those who live in NWA for instance and most of Little Rock as well as some other areas are middle class, enjoy life and love the state. Those living in the east part of the state and particularly the so/east are poor, have had a tough life and I am sure are not among the happiest people in the world. We saw this in sections of VA, but certainly not the Northern part of the state and there are dirt poor areas in Ca.

NIta
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Arkansas, USA
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Any state is what you make it, no matter what the polls say. That being said, Arkansas is typically ranked in the upper ranks of these types of negative polls, and there are reasons for this. Though we have many prosperous, healthy people, most of the state's population live at or below what is considered poverty level these days. Here's a link to poverty guidelines for 2011... 2011 HHS Poverty Guidelines

Looking at that list, you can see how easily it would be for someone making minimum wage ($7.25 an hour), to be considered poverty level. 40 hours a week @ $7.25 an hour, one brings home $13,920 a year, before taxes. That means if you are a one income family of more than 2 people, you are living in poverty. Now, couple that low income with the fact that you can't afford healthy foods, healthcare, etc... , and you get the obesity levels we have.

The low income issues also cause depression, which once again, feeds into the states obesity problems.

It's a viscous cycle, and we don't need a poll to see that it's happening.
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Any state is what you make it, no matter what the polls say. That being said, Arkansas is typically ranked in the upper ranks of these types of negative polls, and there are reasons for this. Though we have many prosperous, healthy people, most of the state's population live at or below what is considered poverty level these days. Here's a link to poverty guidelines for 2011... 2011 HHS Poverty Guidelines

Looking at that list, you can see how easily it would be for someone making minimum wage ($7.25 an hour), to be considered poverty level. 40 hours a week @ $7.25 an hour, one brings home $13,920 a year, before taxes. That means if you are a one income family of more than 2 people, you are living in poverty. Now, couple that low income with the fact that you can't afford healthy foods, healthcare, etc... , and you get the obesity levels we have.

The low income issues also cause depression, which once again, feeds into the states obesity problems.

It's a viscous cycle, and we don't need a poll to see that it's happening.
Excellent post: you have pretty much nailed it. I would question the statement: the majority of the people in the state live below poverty level, I would think a huge number do, but with the population growth in NWA and the income level, I am surprised to hear you say "the majority" Otherwise you are right on.

NIta
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Excellent post: you have pretty much nailed it. I would question the statement: the majority of the people in the state live below poverty level, I would think a huge number do, but with the population growth in NWA and the income level, I am surprised to hear you say "the majority" Otherwise you are right on.

NIta
The poverty rate in Arkansas was at 16.3% last time I saw data published, which is quite high. I don't know if the 2010 Census information for poverty in the AR data has been released yet. The state's combination of relatively high poverty population, high numbers of obesity and diabetes, and low percentage of educated adults is what normally causes us to end up on these lists. It's an oversimplification at best and certainly inaccurate in respect to several areas of the state I can think of, but on a population statistics level, it's a sad truth and a problem that is constantly being worked on.
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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I'd still rather live in the Ozarks than almost anywhere else. Just need to figure out how to keep the taxes from making it impossible to survive.

Or, find a Libertarian place with a nice, sustainable climate.
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