Is Arkansas considered a Midwestern state? (Jonesboro, Hot Springs: move to, counties, place)
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This is a ridiculous thread.Arkansas is 100% Southern. It is not the SouthEAST. However, once you get east of Little Rock there is a significant cultural shift to more of a Deep South mentality. The western side of Arkansas is very much akin and aligned culturally with Oklahoma/Texas.
I think someone must have started this thread as a joke. Probably someone that us Okies/Texans call a Deep South Purist.
I'm with ya Bass, Arkansas is about as Southern as it gets.
Although I sometimes work in Michigan, I don't have much experience in the rest of mid-America. I was talking to a colleague of mine the other day, who made some kind of statement about Arkansas being a part of the Southwest (Like Texas). This confused me, because when I think of Arkansas, I think of the Midwest/Great Plains area (Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma). This may have been discussed before, but isn't Arkansas considered to be in the Midwest as far as geography, accents, culture, ect? Not Southern like Tennessee or North Carolina, but a little redneck, like Nebraska.
Pure Southern state. It has never been considered a Midwestern state and never will be.
I am from Georgia. I consider Arkansas as part of the South West. It is not part of the deep south which is everything to the east of the mississippi with the exception of Florida.
I'm from Georgia too, my daughter is at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. When I leave Dallas and drive to the area, I feel like I have gone back to the real south. The environs around Fayetteville are MUCH more like the southeast than much of Texas. BUt when I drive an hour east of Dallas and get around Tyler, I feel like I am back in the southeast as well.
The Mississippi isn't the dividing line for the real south, Arkansas and Louisiana are just as much southern as MS, AL, GA and the rest. The Eastern third of Texas and OK are just as southern. Even southern Missouri is very southern, Joplin, Springfield, Branson... very southern. MHO of course.
I'm from Georgia too, my daughter is at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. When I leave Dallas and drive to the area, I feel like I have gone back to the real south. The environs around Fayetteville are MUCH more like the southeast than much of Texas. BUt when I drive an hour east of Dallas and get around Tyler, I feel like I am back in the southeast as well.
The Mississippi isn't the dividing line for the real south, Arkansas and Louisiana are just as much southern as MS, AL, GA and the rest. The Eastern third of Texas and OK are just as southern. Even southern Missouri is very southern, Joplin, Springfield, Branson... very southern. MHO of course.
If someone wants to call themselves southern, who am I to judge. I will say that most do not consider Arkansas to be part of the deep south, of course that goes for Oklahoma as well.
I have lived in Arkansas and the "Deep South" and IMO there is a lot of difference between the two. I went to a high school basketball game in Roland Oklahoma...just east of Fort Smith, AR. I was stunned to see that there was not one basketball player on either team that was not white. I have never seen that in Georgia.
If someone wants to call themselves southern, who am I to judge. I will say that most do not consider Arkansas to be part of the deep south, of course that goes for Oklahoma as well.
I have lived in Arkansas and the "Deep South" and IMO there is a lot of difference between the two. I went to a high school basketball game in Roland Oklahoma...just east of Fort Smith, AR. I was stunned to see that there was not one basketball player on either team that was not white. I have never seen that in Georgia.
Go to a high school game in Union County, Rabun County, Forsyth County, Fannin County... most any county in the north Georgia Mountains and you are likely to see an all white basketball game as well. Do you consider Tennessee a deep south state? Demographically Tennessee is the whitest state in the south.
Are black demographics what make a state southern? Gary, Detroit, DC, Soutside Chicago... all deep south then.
Arkansas is NOT considered a midwestern state. It was part of the confederacy, southern accents, southern culture, often stands by dallas and memphis for sports and its geographically not even considered a midwestern state by any means.
Why dont we just include any state in to the midwest like Tennessee or Pennsylvania? We dont because they arent part of the midwest. I hate people not from the midwest who have to group every state they dont know as the midwest and then say it because all midwesterns have the same rural southern culture. GO TO THE MIDWEST RATHER THAN JUST MAKING ASSUMPTIONS
Go to a high school game in Union County, Rabun County, Forsyth County, Fannin County... most any county in the north Georgia Mountains and you are likely to see an all white basketball game as well. Do you consider Tennessee a deep south state? Demographically Tennessee is the whitest state in the south.
Are black demographics what make a state southern? Gary, Detroit, DC, Soutside Chicago... all deep south then.
You are correct about the mountain areas of Georgia. However, as population goes that is a very, very small percentage of the total population of georgia.
Demographics is not the only thing that I refer to. If you lived in Georgia, you must recognize the differences in accents. As for the rural populations of say Rabun County and those in Arkansas, I can find little differences, but the same holds true for places in Illinois that I have vistited or for that mater Idaho. Like I said, If someone wants to call their state part of the south. Fine with me. As I pointed out with my cite, most do not consider Arkansas as part of the deep south. In the big scheme of things, it really does not matter. Atlanta, is in Georgia, but there are so many transplants there that one would be hard pressed to say that it has a southern feel to it, whatever that means.
When I think about southern cities, the ones that seem more historic and representative of southern culture are Savannah Georgia and Charleston.
According to the United States Census Bureau, Arkansas is a part of the Southern region, in the West South Central division. http://www.census.gov/geo/www/us_regdiv.pdf But feel free to continue the debate using other criteria.
According to the United States Census Bureau, Arkansas is a part of the Southern region, in the West South Central division. http://www.census.gov/geo/www/us_regdiv.pdf But feel free to continue the debate using other criteria.
What difference does it matter if Arkansas is considered Southern, midwester, south western? Does it change how people feel about themselves?
What difference does it matter if Arkansas is considered Southern, midwester, south western? Does it change how people feel about themselves?
That's a very existential question. Why does it matter if people don't consider me an Olympic athlete? It doesn't change the way I feel about myself. Back to your question, it doesn't matter, aside from the fact it's the topic of this thread.
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Arkansas is 100% Southern. It is not the SouthEAST. However, once you get east of Little Rock there is a significant cultural shift to more of a Deep South mentality. The western side of Arkansas is very much akin and aligned culturally with Oklahoma/Texas.
Probably someone that us Okies/Texans call a Deep South Purist.
