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Old 04-29-2017, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Whooooah elkotronics... you've misunderstood or misconstrued my post. I didn't mention the Chinese pet slaughterfest because I assumed that is categorically reprehensible and isn't something that occurs in this country.

I am a vegan. I consume zero animal products. Zero.

But since we're on the topic, you tell me what's the big difference between a dog and a cow? Or a dog and a pig?

Edited to add: yes, I'm nodding my head up and down re: abortion if it's early term. Why? You have to draw the line somewhere. Do we want to go back to the dark ages where such things as contraception is banned? If you don't like the government interfering with your guns, why do you think they have a right to interfere with peoples bodies?

Bluefox - man, I don't want to argue. The abortion issue is one that I have based on the Biblical view. I am very old-fashioned regarding Bible basics, but I was born in Seattle and raised in Edmonds, Washington. I don't want to discuss abortion on here and I don't think we should.


I just feel sick about things like the Yulin Dog Festival. They are mercilessly torturing dogs in front of moronic crowds just because they can and because they like the taste of the meat and because the inefficient Chinese Gub-Mint chooses to not intervene on the Neanderthals carrying this needless torture out. Like I said, I hate this dog-torturing. I eat beef, chicken and pork yes, but do I approve of Joe Midwest smacking the cow in the head with a pipe to get them to move?


Hell no, I don't approve of that. This is a difficult issue in terms of "Who's Ta Blame?" I eat meat but I strongly believe in humane killing practices. Animal rights are something I take very, very seriously. All I have ta do is look up to the Creator and thank Him for all these creatures. When I look into the eyes of Cotey, our 13 year old Pomeranian and see what a strong little character he is, or, when I look into the eyes of Meggy May, our 9 year old Akita Chow, I see eyes of an intelligent creation of God. A creation that is too precious ta waste. Too smart for school. Too good of a gift from above to peddle for meat.


Like I say, that practice in China and sadly, other parts of Asia as well, has to stop. It is breaking the hearts of animal lovers the world over. And it is hurting humanity in general for us ta know about it and know that every June the Yulin Dog Festival will go on. The dogs will be stuffed into chicken wire metal crates so tight their bones are broken. They stop feeding them ahead of transit and watering them, too, so the dogs are getting sick even before they're tortured to death. They pull their legs back behind them and tie them together, painfully tearing their ligaments and breaking their bones. They will just cut out their hearts while they're alive. They'll put a tin can over their snout so they can't openly yelp and then blow torch them to death.


They will take them and put them in large pots of oil that is so hot it causes their fur to come off. Or they just skin them alive in front of all the other dogs. They slit their throats and they blowtorch them to death. The other day a friend sent a picture from I believe Indonesia. In their backyard these guys just took their dog and hung him by his collar to a big metal pole. Then they lit him on fire and took gruesome pictures of it all. And laughed while the dog burned to death. I will never forget the look of agony on the poor dog's face (it was a large dog - very big) as the pain got so intense they expose their whole palette of teeth in horrible pain. That expression stays on their faces as they die. These people are mongrels, they are third world and they are heartless. Eat beef if you must eat meat - I was raised on chicken, beef and pork. Call me a hypocrite as you might but this practice is tearing my heart out of my chest and burning it up, I love dogs so much. It's in my upbringing, both parents loved dogs and taught me how to raise them. And treat them right. They deserve so much better than the Asians are doing to them.
I doubt any of us believe in the practice of the Asian's treatments of dogs. i am a lover of all animals, In fact that is one of the thrills of living in AR; we get to see the wonder of wildlife. No one could love animals more than my husband. That is why, at 80 years he still has a small pet sitting business. and yes, we eat meat; but we also have been known to cancel social events just to stay with our little rescue dog cause she is afraid of storms and we don't want to leave her alone.. As i am sure you feel, there is a difference between mis treating animals and eating meat.
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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Well yeah, you did open a can of worms, because that argument can quite easily be turned around and thrown right back. I.e. how can you be opposed to abortion by characterizing it as "killing", but are completely fine with the government essentially committing homicide?

And before you say that "the fetus is innocent", it's not an autonomous being. It hasn't developed anything. It's essentially an egg before it hatches.

And don't even get me started on the amount of pain, suffering, torture, disease, and other disgusting processes inflicted upon developed, sentient living creatures, that go into the burgers and poultry you (not personally you, just in general) eat, but choose to ignore.

Life is only valuable in certain cases and for certain people or things. The hypocrisy, ignorance, and cognitive dissonance is beyond staggering.
Oh, for Pete's Sake!


This thread is about killing people who have ruthlessly and mercilessly killed other humans. They Deserve To Die.


/end
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Lebanon, OH
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Oh, for Pete's Sake!


This thread is about killing people who have ruthlessly and mercilessly killed other humans. They Deserve To Die.


/end
Yep, they need to hurry up and use those execution drugs before they expire and go to waste.

The rest of them can get the electric chair, it's not as bad of a death as their victims had to endure.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Manson, WA
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I doubt any of us believe in the practice of the Asian's treatments of dogs. i am a lover of all animals, In fact that is one of the thrills of living in AR; we get to see the wonder of wildlife. No one could love animals more than my husband. That is why, at 80 years he still has a small pet sitting business. and yes, we eat meat; but we also have been known to cancel social events just to stay with our little rescue dog cause she is afraid of storms and we don't want to leave her alone.. As i am sure you feel, there is a difference between mis treating animals and eating meat.

nmnita - yes, I do understand the difference between being a meateater and a person that deliberately abuses animals, like the Chinese. It must be pointed out that many people in China love dogs and don't condone the atrocities there. The Chinese government refuses to stop the torturing - it's in their "history" there - apparently too ingrained into their past. I call that nonsense and appeal to them to come to their senses and think about the pain they're causing. Sure, the dogs die and then the pain is relieved. But, that is awful, though. It's entirely inhumane.
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Old 04-30-2017, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Yep, they need to hurry up and use those execution drugs before they expire and go to waste.

The rest of them can get the electric chair, it's not as bad of a death as their victims had to endure.
my thoughts exactly!!!
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Old 04-30-2017, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I doubt any of us believe in the practice of the Asian's treatments of dogs. i am a lover of all animals, In fact that is one of the thrills of living in AR; we get to see the wonder of wildlife. No one could love animals more than my husband. That is why, at 80 years he still has a small pet sitting business. and yes, we eat meat; but we also have been known to cancel social events just to stay with our little rescue dog cause she is afraid of storms and we don't want to leave her alone.. As i am sure you feel, there is a difference between mis treating animals and eating meat.

nmnita - yes, I do understand the difference between being a meateater and a person that deliberately abuses animals, like the Chinese. It must be pointed out that many people in China love dogs and don't condone the atrocities there. The Chinese government refuses to stop the torturing - it's in their "history" there - apparently too ingrained into their past. I call that nonsense and appeal to them to come to their senses and think about the pain they're causing. Sure, the dogs die and then the pain is relieved. But, that is awful, though. It's entirely inhumane.
I hope you realize I was not addressing my comment to you, but to the guy who thinks abortion is simple destroying a lump of coal but killing a murderer by execution is wrong.
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Old 04-30-2017, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Manson, WA
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Yes I do and I did, nmnita. I appreciate the common sense of the folks on city-data Arkansas so much! It seems common sense is getting harder and harder to come by these days, eh?
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Old 04-30-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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I just feel sick about things like the Yulin Dog Festival. I hate this dog-torturing.

I eat beef, chicken and pork yes, but do I approve of Joe Midwest smacking the cow in the head with a pipe to get them to move? Hell no, I don't approve of that. I eat meat but I strongly believe in humane killing practices.

When I look into the eyes of... our 13 year old Pomeranian... or,... into the eyes of .... our 9 year old Akita Chow, I see eyes of an intelligent creation of God. A creation that is too precious ta waste. Too smart for school. Too good of a gift from above to peddle for meat.

Eat beef if you must eat meat - I was raised on chicken, beef and pork. Call me a hypocrite as you might but this practice is tearing my heart out of my chest and burning it up, I love dogs so much. They deserve so much better than the Asians are doing to them.
Absolutely no creature should be tortured, not just dogs.

If an animal is being raised for meat it should be killed in the quickest way possible, one where it never knew what hit him and he didn't have any time to suffer pain.
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Old 05-02-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Manson, WA
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Absolutely no creature should be tortured, not just dogs.

If an animal is being raised for meat it should be killed in the quickest way possible, one where it never knew what hit him and he didn't have any time to suffer pain.

I agree. Shooting a cow in the head is a fast, certain death. And that's what needs to occur in all death-to-animals-for-their-meat instances. Torturing an animal to get a "better tasting meat because of adrenalin released into their system" is so wrong and inhumane it's beyond awful. It needs to be shut down. To have that you have to have a government that cares about animal torture. Apparently that's not true here.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Manson, WA
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I agree. Shooting a cow in the head is a fast, certain death. And that's what needs to occur in all death-to-animals-for-their-meat instances. Torturing an animal to get a "better tasting meat because of adrenalin released into their system" is so wrong and inhumane it's beyond awful. It needs to be shut down. To have that you have to have a government that cares about animal torture. Apparently that's not true here.

Sadly, the Asian nations are still torturing and then killing and eating dogs and cats. The ones saved by different groups are but a small amount of the overall killings. I do think that saving some of them is better than not saving any at all. Show the ones saved the best life possible for them. This continues to break my heart - it's disturbing that any nation in the year 2017 is so barbaric and rudimentarily stupid like this. Dumber than a bunch of rusty old doornails.
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