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Old 06-29-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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Why was this installed in the first place? Are all religious groups allowed to have a monument on public property and access to use the land they fund via their taxes to display their beliefs?

This man should not have destroyed property. The higher court systems of our country would have ordered the removal if they found it violated the US Constitution and was considered a law that was an establishment of religion.
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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What a fool idiot moron. Now he will get hit with a felony and be forced to pay for another one to replace it. Does this idiot think he is William Wallace?
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The Jewish people don't believe the story. Building this monument to a fictional story is proof that evangelicals hate anyone who is different. It's just a way of putting up walls from the depth of their stone hearts. Their own "scriptures" even refute them and condemn their actions.
That is the most ridiculous post or reasoning I have ever seen and also maybe one of the most filled with hate. Why would you even think something like that? I think many of us realize the Jews do not believe the story but that has nothing to do with placing the statue or about the person who destroyed it. Atheist do not believe either and agnostics question it. Let me tell you, I am a Christian but not truly evangelical and I do not hate anyone. Our son in law is Jewish; he would be appalled at your posting and we have a granddaughter that would probably be defined as an agnostic. She too would wonder where you are getting such an idea?

CLT4; you are missing the point altogether unless you think what this guy did is ok. The point is, he was and has in the past destroyed property. It has nothing really to do with beliefs or the right the people did or did not have to build the monument. The legality of the structure should be debated on a different thread.
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Those of us who truly believe "the story" don't hate anyone. "Love thy neighbor as thyself."

The stories are real, though. They are written by God through men for us to benefit ourselves. No one should hate anyone. We can hate their actions, but not them.
you are so right and I believe we need to remember, in translation words and stories can often result in misunderstanding.
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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CLT4; you are missing the point altogether unless you think what this guy did is ok. The point is, he was and has in the past destroyed property. It has nothing really to do with beliefs or the right the people did or did not have to build the monument. The legality of the structure should be debated on a different thread.
I don't think what the guy did is ok. If you think something is illegal, you take it to court - you don't destroy it. He will rightfully serve jail time for taking matters into his own hands. I guess I'll read the other thread to find out the origin of why this structure was even built and if citizens of Arkansas view it as legal.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:24 AM
 
Location: eastern Iowa
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I don't think what the guy did is ok. If you think something is illegal, you take it to court - you don't destroy it. He will rightfully serve jail time for taking matters into his own hands. I guess I'll read the other thread to find out the origin of why this structure was even built and if citizens of Arkansas view it as legal.

Where is this other thread? On the Arkansas forum? Why can't the history behind building this monument be discussed on this thread? I am having a hard time understanding why other monuments regarding other religious backgrounds can't be built also. Doesn't seem right.


Ah, okay. I guess this is in the Current Events forum. Seems more like a political issue to me, but still don't understand why the history can't be discussed on the Arkansas forum.


As a side note, I don't agree with what this person did and he should face consequences just like any other person who breaks the law.

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Old 06-29-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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As a Christian, I see these monuments as modern-day equivalents of the Golden Calf.
I'd prefer they not be built but once built I prefer they stand as visible reminders of the folly of mingling church and state.

Of course no one has any right to destroy or deface them. The law will properly deal with the person who did it.
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Old 06-29-2017, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I don't think what the guy did is ok. If you think something is illegal, you take it to court - you don't destroy it. He will rightfully serve jail time for taking matters into his own hands. I guess I'll read the other thread to find out the origin of why this structure was even built and if citizens of Arkansas view it as legal.
Thanks and I certainly do see your side to the issue. Even though I am a christian and a pretty dedicated church goer, I question some of these issues as well. I just think what he did is awful, his history is awful and I don't care what his problem is, he needs to be behind a wall or fence somewhere.
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Old 06-29-2017, 03:13 PM
 
Location: United States of America
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I don't see that "separation of church and state" means that putting up a monument on public property is against the law. It means that "church" cannot be a part of government in a leading capacity. In other words, "church" cannot have any power in government. Regardless of the religion of that monument, the words have good meaning and if everyone would follow those words wouldn't this be a better world? I think so.
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Old 06-29-2017, 04:30 PM
 
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I don't see that "separation of church and state" means that putting up a monument on public property is against the law. It means that "church" cannot be a part of government in a leading capacity. In other words, "church" cannot have any power in government. Regardless of the religion of that monument, the words have good meaning and if everyone would follow those words wouldn't this be a better world? I think so.
The issue is that the state cannot promote a certain religion. The Arkansas legislature made a law to erect this monument. And when another religion applied to put up their monument, that same legislature rushed to make law to make it virtually impossible for any other religion to do so. That would suggest that the Arkansas legislature, ie government, ie state, is not taking an impartial view of religion, but is in fact promoting one religion over all others. That's a problem.
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