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Old 06-29-2017, 11:00 PM
 
Location: California and Texas
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Agree with that guy's message.. disagree with his means.
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I don't see that "separation of church and state" means that putting up a monument on public property is against the law. It means that "church" cannot be a part of government in a leading capacity. In other words, "church" cannot have any power in government. Regardless of the religion of that monument, the words have good meaning and if everyone would follow those words wouldn't this be a better world? I think so.
Though I do question some of the decisions that are made in regards to religion, I think you and I see it pretty much the same way. The hard part, our courts do not agree with us or they do not always interpret the law the way we do. I have always thought what our forefathers were trying to say was: religion can not be mandatory and the government can not tell us how we must think. I thought that was one of the reasons they left Europe and formed our wonderful country?
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The Huckabees are going to be upset....
you do know many of them do not live in AR anymore don't you or do you and they will not be any more upset than most of us at the destroying of public property....

kttam186290; your response belongs on the political thread and has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.

Zippman: You know the monument is probably going to be rebuilt, so what did the nuts actions really do? And why do you agree with him may I ask?
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Old 06-30-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: United States of America
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Though I do question some of the decisions that are made in regards to religion, I think you and I see it pretty much the same way. The hard part, our courts do not agree with us or they do not always interpret the law the way we do. I have always thought what our forefathers were trying to say was: religion can not be mandatory and the government can not tell us how we must think. I thought that was one of the reasons they left Europe and formed our wonderful country?
There ya go. You said it very well. Thanks.
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Old 06-30-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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The townspeople are the ones that elected the government officials that allowed it to be put there. Keep in mind we're talking about Arkansas.
The government there is corrupt. They no longer represent the people. They represent a lot of self interest groups.
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Old 06-30-2017, 07:18 AM
 
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Okay, but promoting a religion is different than having a certain religion with power within the government. IMO. Just to be clear here...I haven't set foot in a church for a service in over 40 years but I do consider myself a Christian. Some people might not.
When a government promotes a specific religion, and takes steps to exclude other religions (as the Arkansas legislature has done), that's indicative that a religion has power within the government.
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Old 06-30-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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Power in the government, to me, means that the church would be making decisions for the local, state or federal government. That's what separation of church and state means.
Power in the government, to me, means that elected officials of a specific faith would be imposing tenets of their religion on citizens, regardless of the religious beliefs of those citizens. That's what separation of church and state is meant to prevent.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:34 AM
 
Location: United States of America
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What to do.. There's 5660 people in the Arkansas town in which I live and there are 32 churches.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The government there is corrupt. They no longer represent the people. They represent a lot of self interest groups.
I assume you are talking about the government in AR or are you talking about the entire USA? Do you live here, either in AR or America. Unless you can answer yes to both you do not know what you are talking about? Do you really think this government is as bad or worse than other governments? In case you don't know people in AR happen to mostly like their government so what special interest groups are you talking about?

Maybe we are supposed to think whatever Sarah says it the last word!!!
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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I wonder if the Freedom From Religion Foundation will pay the man's attorney fees.
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