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Old 12-23-2017, 07:41 PM
 
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So funny! Twisty roads are appealing to me. Every time I went to WV I'd leave the highway in MD and never touch one in WV at all
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:22 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Depends on where you're going ... East of Fayetteville there are lots of windy / hilly roads out in the country ... great for sport bike and Porsche / Ferrari owners looking for a nice ride/drive.

Going from major city to major city there are freeways and of course most city streets in the bigger cities are normal city streets. Many if not all of the major streets and smaller two lane highways are on Google maps maps / Street View, so you can zoom in and look around and even drop the yellow man on the roads.
I have found, going from small town to small town, that looking closely at a map, and looking at many alternate routes pays big dividends. The way that looks shortest at first is not always the best route.
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Old 12-24-2017, 06:21 AM
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Location: Ozarkatory
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Many of the populated areas aren't all that hilly.
City streets are fine. Biggest problem there is the width of some of the older 4-lanes.
Arkansas seems to have an obsession with full-length left-turn lanes. On the older roads, instead of widening the road to accommodate this idea, they just re-striped what was there.
Also, they'll have four lanes that in many places would only pass for 2 lanes with wide shoulders at best. Not much thought given to the plight of big trucks, which is odd considering all the Tyson facilities back in there. The Arkansas way of doing streets and roads can be quirky to say the least. They're getting a little better with completely new roads, but that left turn lane still promotes odd behavior.
Living in a rural area or small town that's isolated from basic amenities is where the problems really come into play. That's the situation I'm in, and I'd avoid that altogether in hindsight because of the hilly roads. Personally, I like Iowa.

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Old 12-24-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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Thanks for all the information. We would like to leave Iowa because of the hefty property taxes and the extreme winter. Just trying to find a good place, although there are no perfect places of course. Merry Christmas!
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Old 12-24-2017, 07:25 AM
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Location: Ozarkatory
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The winter will be less chilly. Property taxes will be lower, but you what you pay for. Some people don't mind too much but you will notice a difference in how the local governments operate. As for which way is better, it's a mixed bag.
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The winter will be less chilly. Property taxes will be lower, but you what you pay for. Some people don't mind too much but you will notice a difference in how the local governments operate. As for which way is better, it's a mixed bag.
I am not quite sure what you meant by difference in the say local government operates? What city do you live in?
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:59 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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I was hoping sub would come back and explain some more, but he tends to stay away for days at a time, so I won't wait on him.

Someone once told me I would be as happy as a tic on a dog in AR, and so far it looks like they were right.

The thing that I have found is that the towns that I have looked at take a much more hands off approach to governance, but that the counties have a bit more control. As a matter of fact, virtually every town in Texas has a municipal code, and almost all of them are cut from the same boilerplate, but counties can only do what the state says they can do. In AR, the counties can do almost anything they are not forbidden to do, and it seems like some towns don't even bother with a set of ordinances. They simply provide certain services and allow the county code of ordinances be the only laws.
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:03 PM
 
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I think what Sub was referring to is low property taxes equal low / reduced government services. Obviously in the North they pay for snow removal (which is expensive) but also they have street lights and sidewalks, they pick up your leaves (you just rake them to the curb), some cities have free access to community centers and recreational sports. Shaker Heights Ohio you don't even put your garbage cans out on the curb, they will come up your driveway.and get them.

What I notice in Little Rock neighborhoods is no sidewalks and few street lights.
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Old 12-25-2017, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I think what Sub was referring to is low property taxes equal low / reduced government services. Obviously in the North they pay for snow removal (which is expensive) but also they have street lights and sidewalks, they pick up your leaves (you just rake them to the curb), some cities have free access to community centers and recreational sports. Shaker Heights Ohio you don't even put your garbage cans out on the curb, they will come up your driveway.and get them.

What I notice in Little Rock neighborhoods is no sidewalks and few street lights.
The street lights and no sidewalks are common here in nwa as well, and yes, it saves tax payers money but things like leaf pickup, if we rake ours all our to the street the city, when they do their clean up will do the same. In fact right now they are in the process of cleaning up the sides of the roads and are doing a great job. No, they don't pick them up on a daily or weekly routine but they do get them cleaned up. As for recreational facilities like senior centers and work out facilities, what makes you think the cities and towns in nwa don't offer the same thing? You mention the trash pick up, I am guessing the cost of trash pick up is a little higher in any area where they come into the drive way to pick the trash up. I can't remember in my entire life seeing a trash company do this, not even when I was a child living in So. Ca. We still had to take our garbage can to the street twice a week.

There may be a few more services offered in the north we don't have here, but the taxes are so much higher I prefer to live without them.
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Old 12-25-2017, 06:16 AM
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I'm staunchly conservative towards all matters concerning D.C., but locally I might be called a sewer socialist.
The most local forms of government are far more in tune with the needs and expectations of the local population so a little tax, spend and city codes are easier to understand. Also, it helps to keep tabs on what the government officials are up to when they (the locals) are the main focus.
Sidewalks, curbing, street lights that look nice, recreational trails, curbside recycling pickup, underground utilities, maybe some nice landscaping along roadways or other city-owned property. Some people might include public schools, but being a private school person, my biggest concern there is that they can halfway accomplish what they set out to do academically, avoid social engineering, and not kill everyone's property values.
Code enforcement, good zoning and planning without infringing ridiculously too much on property rights would also be nice.
I realize that last one can really be controversial, and that's the great thing about local/state authority over the federal. Locally, people can decide for themselves if they like any of this stuff. There should be something for everyone, and I think there is.
Some entire states can fit the bill, almost.
For me, Arkansas isn't what I prefer. Not trying to offend or cause an argument. I know there are a few towns in Arkansas that come closer to my ideal, I've lived in one, but overall, none of it really appeals to me.
Hope this explains well enough.
Merry Christmas!
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