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Old 07-07-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Arkansas
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Of course, silly me, what's wrong with a cute little darkie child in blackface with dramatized facial features and googly eyes or a restaurant that uses jungle imagery from the book as decor? It doesn't take a 70-year old to understand the negative connotations of early Sambo iconography and it never ceases to amaze me that there are those still willing to mourn its loss.

 
Old 07-08-2009, 07:41 AM
 
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Amen, sneezy. The fact that anyone would mourn the going-away of a restaurant chain that chose to associate itself with a clearly racist story is sad, sad, sad.

And anyone who doesn't recognize the blatant racism in Sambo is most likely a racist himself/herself. Anytime anything is abundantly clear to most folks, but not to you, you should probably step back and think about it a little more.
 
Old 07-08-2009, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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Amen, sneezy. The fact that anyone would mourn the going-away of a restaurant chain that chose to associate itself with a clearly racist story is sad, sad, sad.

And anyone who doesn't recognize the blatant racism in Sambo is most likely a racist himself/herself. Anytime anything is abundantly clear to most folks, but not to you, you should probably step back and think about it a little more.
What a nation of whiny,dont hurt my feelings,everyone one is out to get me babies we have become! How silly! It was just a dang restaurant!
 
Old 07-08-2009, 09:40 AM
 
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Of course, silly me, what's wrong with a cute little darkie child in blackface with dramatized facial features and googly eyes or a restaurant that uses jungle imagery from the book as decor? It doesn't take a 70-year old to understand the negative connotations of early Sambo iconography and it never ceases to amaze me that there are those still willing to mourn its loss.
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And anyone who doesn't recognize the blatant racism in Sambo is most likely a racist himself/herself. Anytime anything is abundantly clear to most folks, but not to you, you should probably step back and think about it a little more.
Are there not black-skinned people living in the jungle even today? Are not large lips and eyes that really pop against the dark skin a common feature of the black race's facial features? Do they not have dark skin? I remember the Sambo story, and I don't see how it was negative or blatant racism. The little boy lived in the jungle (as some black people still do even today) and he outsmarted the tiger. It was no more racist than any other fairy tale type story.

Please point out the racism in that story to us unenlightened ones.

(When they put caricatures of white political figures in the newspaper, giving them oversized ears or lips or eyes, according to what their facial features are, do you consider that racist?)



Does this offend you?
 
Old 07-08-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Of course, silly me, what's wrong with a cute little darkie child in blackface with dramatized facial features and googly eyes or a restaurant that uses jungle imagery from the book as decor? It doesn't take a 70-year old to understand the negative connotations of early Sambo iconography and it never ceases to amaze me that there are those still willing to mourn its loss.
that was not what the story was about, plus I do not think anyone is mourning the loss, some of us just thought the book was cute and the restaurants were fun. Too many people today, read to much into every thing..that is why everything has to be PC. As for taking a 70 year old to realize the connotations, that is my point exactly. Those of us who are a little older didn't see anything in the story other than how cute the story was.

We could debate these things all day and no one is going to change anothers mind. We could debate whether Little Red Riding hood's grandma being eaten by a wolf would scare all little kids as well, but give kids credit for knowing the difference between make believe and reality.

Stumpeace, it might surprise to know most of us never even looked at things like that as anything other than delightful stories. The book was a success so someone decided to pattern a restaurant after the story. No, most of us are far from racists, in fact it might work the other way, ever think about that?

Nita

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Old 07-08-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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Does this offend you?
Yes, certainly the caricatures of the Jewish folks with large noses is offensive. Absolutely.
 
Old 07-08-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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Stumpeace, it might surprise to know most of us never even looked at things like that as anything other than delightful stories. The book was a success so someone decided to pattern a restaurant after the story. No, most of us are far from racists, in fact it might work the other way, ever think about that?

Nita
Dealing with you gives me a headache. Your lack of ability to use logic and reasoning is both stunning and heartbreaking.
 
Old 07-08-2009, 11:02 AM
 
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Yes, certainly the caricatures of the Jewish folks with large noses is offensive. Absolutely.
Personally, I didn't even know who that person is or that he was Jewish.....I just grabbed a bunch of caricatures off of google of people who weren't Afram.

You need to put your big-boy drawers on.
 
Old 07-08-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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Dealing with you gives me a headache. Your lack of ability to use logic and reasoning is both stunning and heartbreaking.
Strumpeace, there are those of us that do not analyze too deeply. Maybe it's naiveity, stupidity, a lack of sophistication, or simply the result of a head injury during youth.

However, as I have stated previously, pretty much anything can be read into anything. I don't feel that Popeye's "Bluto" character, being fat and always begging for hamburger money, is disrepectful of white culture.


Also, for whatever reason, I do not see comedian Bill Dana's act of "Jose Jimenez" as a racist attack on hispanics.

I have watched many shows with black comedians saying things about blacks that would most certainly be classified as a crime if a white person said it.

I have met true racists of virtually every ethnic makeup in my life. Blacks who hate Koreans. Jews that hate blacks. Blacks that hate whites. Whites who hate everybody, probably including themselves. This book does not constitute racism.

When Helen Bannerman published the book in 1899, I don't see how it could be interpreted as anything but a childrens story about a boy triumphing over a group of tigers.

I can, however, see how over the years and the wave of "political correctness", and the "everybody hates me and 'the man' holds me down because I'm (insert your race here)" attitude, it can become another rallying point when somebody else is getting more attention because they're yelling about Harrison, AR.

There are those on this forum that tend to post *only* when they want to point out a negativity, or be critical of someone elses post, or feel that they have this mystical ability to read between the lines as when someone says, "I really like Hot Springs", they see "I don't want to live around Mexicans".

This is why our country is in the state it's in.

Creating fights to fight that weren't there in the first place, and are not even our fights.
 
Old 07-08-2009, 11:12 AM
 
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Of course, silly me, what's wrong with a cute little darkie child in blackface with dramatized facial features and googly eyes or a restaurant that uses jungle imagery from the book as decor? It doesn't take a 70-year old to understand the negative connotations of early Sambo iconography and it never ceases to amaze me that there are those still willing to mourn its loss.
I miss "Top's Big Boy" also.

Guess that's a racist loss too.
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