[Sneezyone]

No, I don't know the term "hip hop blacks". Saying "hip hop blacks" is like saying jazz whites, salsa latinos, or reggae dominicans. It sounds and is ludicrous. And yes, it does make me angry (and my language reflects that) when people tolerate and promote that kind of stereotyping. It's a lot easier to dismiss someone as <<insert racial stereotype here>> rather than identify the behaviors you don't like...poor yard maintenance, loud music, etc. but it's counterproductive, mean-spirited and wrong. This whole thread has been rife with that crap. Don't be mad when someone calls you out for it. Rather than complain about my defensiveness (read: truth-telling), how about you DEFEND your own words. And whooping it up over racial stereotyping hardly qualifies as classy, Nita.

[HANNU]

Originally Posted by Sneezyone

I'm sick and tired of people ASSuming things about me, wrongly, based on my musical tastes. Grow the F-up.

Who assumed anything about your musical tastes here? Methinks you may have some issues to deal with.

And your aggressive response is unfortunately perpetuating some of the negative stereotypes that is being discussed.

[DC at the Ridge]

When I first read the post on "hip-hop blacks", it didn't raise any eyebrows on my part. I kinda just felt that the OP was saying that she didn't want to live next to gang members. And it didn't bother me. But then I read sneezy's comments, and I realized that she had a good point to. It's not about musical taste, it's about the label. For instance, I like the dueling banjos music from Deliverance. But I don't like the dueling banjos hillbilly stereotype. It's inaccurate and marginalizing. I think sneezy was making a good point even though she can be sharp about making those points.

[Sneezyone]

Originally Posted by HANNU

Who assumed anything about your musical tastes here? Methinks you may have some issues to deal with.

And your aggressive response is unfortunately perpetuating some of the negative stereotypes that is being discussed.

What stereotype might that be? That someone who appropriately labels a racial stereotype as problematic and hurtful is an aggressive, militant, afro-centric, threatening, armed and dangerous lib? That a black woman who speaks her mind is some kind of head-shaking baby-mama? Or are you hurt that the collective racial bias on this forum and in this state has been exposed, again, for what it is? Funny, that's not who or what I am at all, and yet you STILL want to use that stereotype to dismiss me and the essence of the problem rather than just say you were wrong. Thank you DC, I freely admit that I have a temper, but you hit the nail on the head with your summary.

[DC at the Ridge]

Thank you, sneezy. That's why I engage in forums like this. Your post made me think.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Sneezyone

No, I don't know the term "hip hop blacks". Saying "hip hop blacks" is like saying jazz whites, salsa latinos, or reggae dominicans. It sounds and is ludicrous. And yes, it does make me angry (and my language reflects that) when people tolerate and promote that kind of stereotyping. It's a lot easier to dismiss someone as <<insert racial stereotype here>> rather than identify the behaviors you don't like...poor yard maintenance, loud music, etc. but it's counterproductive, mean-spirited and wrong. This whole thread has been rife with that crap. Don't be mad when someone calls you out for it. Rather than complain about my defensiveness (read: truth-telling), how about you DEFEND your own words. And whooping it up over racial stereotyping hardly qualifies as classy, Nita.

Boy have you lost me somewhere here. When did I say anything about racial stereotyping? Class stereotyping yes, i mentioned I know of hispanics living in NM that would probably refer to some of thier less desirable neighbors as Mexicans, I don't like the way the people down the street keep their house. Thank goodness we live in an area that is so filled with forest, that our nearest neighbors are 3 or 4 lots away cause they are white trash. If that is stereotyping I guess for are right, but it is class typing not race stereotyping.

I do not understand why you got yourself so worked up over this, but then there are lots of things I don't understand. I think I will get out of this conversation while the getting is possible. I would imagine the moderator will clsoe it before long anyway.

Nita

[HANNU]

Originally Posted by Sneezyone

Or are you hurt that the collective racial bias on this forum and in this state has been exposed, again, for what it is?

Ah, now I see where all this vent up anger is coming from.

[Sneezyone]

Nita, need I remind you that you (among others) jumped in to defend the use of the term "hip hop blacks" and had not a word to say in opposition to all the other racial stereotyping that happened in this thread? IMHO, anytime you feel the need to use a racial designation as shorthand for a group of behaviors that you think go hand in hand with that group, that is a racial stereotype.

I never said only white people do it or black people do it or latin people do it. They do. I said that to me, it's wrong. I don't like it when it's done to me, I try not to do it to others, and if it happens in my presence (literally or figuratively) I'm going to try to prevent it from happening again. The last thing I'm going to do is rationalize it or explain it away or, worse yet, push it even further ala Hannu.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Sneezyone

Nita, need I remind you that you (among others) jumped in to defend the use of the term "hip hop blacks" and had not a word to say in opposition to all the other racial stereotyping that happened in this thread? IMHO, anytime you feel the need to use a racial designation as shorthand for a group of behaviors that you think go hand in hand with that group, that is a racial stereotype.

I never said only white people do it or black people do it or latin people do it. They do. I said that to me, it's wrong. I don't like it when it's done to me, I try not to do it to others, and if it happens in my presence (literally or figuratively) I'm going to try to prevent it from happening again. The last thing I'm going to do is rationalize it or explain it away or, worse yet, push it even further ala Hannu.

No, I absolutely did not jump in to defend that, I did say, I knew what she meant and I added many of our Hispanic friends in NM were very unset about all the illegals living in their town. What could she have said that would have satisfied you?

Nita

[Sneezyone]

Originally Posted by nmnita

No, I absolutely did not jump in to defend that, I did say, I knew what she meant and I added many of our Hispanic friends in NM were very unset about all the illegals living in their town. What could she have said that would have satisfied you? Nita

IMHO, that qualifies as 'nodding one's head in agreement' at the implied stereotype.

When people express those kind of stereotypes in front of me IRL (and it happens quite often since for whatever reason people think I won't mind whatever offensive statement is made) I play dumb and invite them to explain themselves. Exactly what do you mean by...? It never fails to make people stop and think...what DO they really mean and why DID they say it that way? If its merely innocent or harmless, they can rephrase their thought in less offensive terms without losing face. When it's not, they usually turn red and offer a stammering apology (in person no one's had the nerve to imply I'm just another angry black woman). What I don't do is act like I didn't hear what they said the first time.

How about simply identifying SPECIFIC BEHAVIORS THAT ONE FINDS OBJECTIONABLE rather than ascribing them to any racial or ethnic category. Why is that so hard?