[Kraken]

Originally Posted by ridicter

Kraken, there are tones of demagoguery in your posts. It's completely bizarre that you give financial institutions the benefit of the doubt when it is widely agreed that it was through their shenanigans that we got into this mess. You prefer to blame illegals--those "honorless" illegals, oh boy--with no evidence. The same ones that those corporations have been lobbying the government to keep because they provide---you got it, cheap labor. There's a reason why you don't find your opinions on the economic state of America in any economic publications.

I know it's probably too much to ask for some dispassionate logic.

And I agree, something needs to be done about illegal immigrants, but I can't stand the xenophobia that often results...IF you have a legitimate case then STATE IT. That's all. Beware, your latent feelings are spewing out. ("Miguel?")

Ridicter,

I have no fear of being labeled a "xenophobe" or whatever else people come up with here.
I have LIVED in a city where illegal immigration has destroyed services, bankrupted, and accelerated crime. It's a fact.

I do not give large corporations Carte Blanche when it comes to who is responsible for the problem. No, indeed corporations like Tyson chicken that routinely hire illegal aliens should be held accountable for their practices. I personally hold them accountable by refusing to buy their products.
Large corporations who take advantage of the abundance of illegal aliens should be punished with stiff fines or shut down. What I see happening more often than not, however, is that people look upon illegal immigrants as the "victims" of the system.

To me, anyone who makes the decision to illegally enter a country, illegally take jobs from Americans, illegally buy property, and illegally leech the resources that are meant for legal Americans are NOT "victims". They are people who have made a conscious decision to break the law or illegally obtain resources for their personal gain.

[ridicter]

Never called anyone a xenophobe. And yeah, I have a problem with immigrants entering illegally too.

I'm just saying the tone was laced with demagoguery. The same demagoguery that could be turned on a dime on gays (like yourself, apparently) for, oh I don't know, "invading traditional values" just like illegal immigrants are "invading America."

Just sayin'.

I'm bowing out.

[Kraken]

Originally Posted by ridicter

Never called anyone a xenophobe. And yeah, I have a problem with immigrants entering illegally too.

I'm just saying the tone was laced with demagoguery. The same demagoguery that could be turned on a dime on gays (like yourself, apparently) for, oh I don't know, "invading traditional values" just like illegal immigrants are "invading America."

Just sayin'.

I'm bowing out.

I see what you're saying but (obviously) disagree.

Gay people were BORN gay and did not "sneak into" the straight world AND we pay taxes here and do not get the same rights as straight people. Seems like it works in reverse for illegals...they pay NO taxes and get ALL of the rights.

Oh, to be an illegal instead of a Gay.

[Capt. Dan]

So the problem is illegal gay Mexicans?

[L.A. Diva]

To Kraken, you really got to know California in the 4 years that you were there. Mostly everything that you say I can validate, since I grew up there. I lived there for 25 years, since age 13, I also lived in Arizona for a couple of years. I have recently relocated to Cabot, AR and I can tell everyone, that this is absolutely the best place that I have ever lived in all of my days. The people who live in Arkansas, that have never lived or even visited other states don't have a reference point to compare where they live to somewhere else, so they usually say that Arkansas "s**ks". I have heard many critical comments about the state, someone mentioned that there are a lot of pot holes around Jacksonville, AR. Potholes!, I'll show you potholes!, there are miles and miles and miles of unkept freeways in Southern California, especially the L.A. area. These pothole filled streets and freeways really reek havoc on your vehicle, probably causes misalignments and who knows what else. I really appreciate the smooth freeways down here....the 440 fwy is lovely and the 40 fwy coming from Fort Smith to Little Rock is like a dream come true, so new, smooth and well kept and the 30 fwy from Little Rock to Texarkana is wonderful, need I say more about the roads? THANK YOU ARKANSAS HWY AND ROAD CONSTRUCTION DEPT., Now back to your comments Kraken, I have did security work in California for many years and my pay would be around $8.45-$9.00 an hour, that was the going rate, and I'm talking about just within the last 5 years. I have found a security job down here in Arkansas, and I actually get paid $10.50 an hour, can you believe that? I struggled to keep my 600.00 a month rent paid in a suburb of L.A., which was for a place that was about 650 square feet. Now I live in a nice place that is 990 square feet and the rent is only 545.00 a month and I have a job paying almost $2.00 more an hour, I am truly thankful. I made it out of California just before the bottom fell out in the economy and right before gas prices hit almost $5.00 a gallon out there. O.K. Kraken, you sound very intuitive and it obviously doesn't take you long to figure something out, however, dude please lighten up on the hard slant that you appear to have towards "illegal immigrants" or "hispanic people", have a heart, woudn't you try to escape a very economically bad situation and try to make a better way for yourself and your family even if you had to cross the border into another country illegally, hey no one wants to starve or see their kids go without, we "legal U.S. citizens" and the so called "illegal" are all just trying to make it. If there is room for me over here then there is room for others, my life is no more valuable or important just because I happened to have been born in this GREAT NATION.

[HANNU]

So I guess Kracken will not be moving to Springdale, parts of which look like the barrio already. Arkansas has the potential to become like California unless they stamp down on measures to offer free emergency health care for illegals (which was on a ballot recently) and offer illegals the same rate for University tuition as Arkansas residents. I could not figure that one out: Why would an illegal from Mexico be entitled to pay less for a college education in Arkansas than someone from Oklahoma?

There is a liberal element in Arkansas who wish to make us more 'diverse' by trying to get these types of measures passed by the legislature. From my own experiences, the problems that are associated with illegal immigration are immense and irreversible. The only way to stop this from happening in Arkansas is to hold local politicians accountable.

[strumpeace]

Everybody needs somebody to blame, I suppose.

The OP's posts, quite frankly, are repulsive. They are, however, par for the course on a board where gays, blacks, and those who are not white, heterosexual Christians are routinely mocked.

Sad, sad world we're living in right now.

[Capt. Dan]

Originally Posted by strumpeace

Everybody needs somebody to blame, I suppose.

The OP's posts, quite frankly, are repulsive. They are, however, par for the course on a board where gays, blacks, and those who are not white, heterosexual Christians are routinely mocked.

Sad, sad world we're living in right now.

Hence the sarcasm of my reply. OP lays alot of blame for problems. But I saw no solutions in his posts.

[Lake Conroe resident]

Originally Posted by strumpeace

Everybody needs somebody to blame, I suppose.

Originally Posted by strumpeace

The OP's posts, quite frankly, are repulsive. They are, however, par for the course on a board where gays, blacks, and those who are not white, heterosexual Christians are routinely mocked.

Sad, sad world we're living in right now.

The same could be said for all those who think the white heterosexual male is the evil one to blame for all that is bad in this world.

[Luvvarkansas]

Originally Posted by ridicter

. You prefer to blame illegals--those "honorless" illegals, oh boy--with no evidence.

I honestly do not understand how the words "honorable" and "illegal" can go together.