[RogMar]

Originally Posted by Kraken

I am totally amused

My partner was also in the movie industry for a number of years and she was born and raised in the Hollywood area.

I get what you are saying about gay people putting too much "emphasis" on their sexuality. I don't necessarily agree 100% but I have been irritated a few times by Gay friends or Lesbian friends who want to "gay up" the conversation or whathaveyou.

On the other hand, I mostly hear straight people talking about how Gay people talk about their sex lives too much but generally the first thing that straight people do when they are talking negatively about Gay people is go for the sexual aspects.

They accuse Gays of being a hinderance to human reproduction.
They accuse Gays of being into bestiality.
They accuse Gays of being child molesters.
They accuse Gays of being sexual deviants.
They accuse Gays of being promiscuous.

It tends to revolve around the sexuality.

Well....I ain't holding my breath for a mass awakening of the kundalini, ya know what I'm saying?

A large part of the problem is that in *every* group of anything in existance, there are always a few idiots. These few idiots have the enormous power to spoil the party for many.

When you are a different race/religion/color than your immediate environment, you are an ambassador for your group.

I remember watching the gay pride parade in Chicago, or going through the Lakeview district, and seeing couples acting like total fools.

Now, when someone who is not like me *really* irritates me, I grit my teeth and remind myself that it's not a gay, asian, jew, or whatever that's urinating in my cheerios, it's just an idiot, and every group has it's idiots.

Not everybody can or will make that distinction.

Yes, Kraken, if I formed my opinion of the gay community by the "bois" in Lakeview putting on their shows for the tourists, grabbing each other, passionate kissing, simulating sex, all the "let's shock the tour bus" stuff, I could probably add several more entries to your 'gay misconception list'.

It's never going to stop. I just hope some folks will wake up, and relize that when they're running around causing discontent, they are paving the road for those who follow.

[nightbird47]

Originally Posted by yukiko11

I was born and spent the first 40 years of my life in California and you have essentially put the CA experience in a nutshell. I have tried to post this type of message on many of the California forums to discourage people from moving there. Most people get their impressions of CA from what they see on TV and movies. Well that experience is real for a few people and usually only if you are rich. So is every other experience on earth. I have spent the last 18 years in WA and am planning to move to either Las Vegas or Phoenix to get into a warmer climate, but except to visit my best friend, I would never go back to CA.
I hope you find happiness in your new home..
On the other hand, I have to tell you that the only info I have ever heard about Arkansas is that it has a high poverty level, the worst school system in the US, the home of Pres Clinton and a place where people marry their cousin.
I am intelligent enough to know better, but people like you who are passionate about your state need to post the truth so everyone can be educated.
Thanks for the opportunity to voice my opinion.

I'm a third generation California native and have lived all over socal, and moved away (ie, escaped) last year to Oklahoma. I go back on Thanksgiving to spend time with the family, thought this year will spend the extra time visiting a friend in Arizona so I can get out of there faster.

One of the things I like very much about this state is the law about illegal immigrants. When it was passed the percentage of hispanic residents dropped by 2 percent. As others have said, you don't hear good things about states like OK and Arkansas. Which is fine with me.

I see these posts from people on the California forum from people who can't wait to move to sunny California. (choke, wheeze) Image is everything. Then you see posts from people who came and can't wait to leave. I encourage them. Especially with the new disastor which will bring more threats and bribery from Sacramento, it just isn't a time to be going there. Even the illegals are leaving.

The first thing I noticed about this area is the space. Lots of open land between places. A two lane road between Tulsa and OKC. Wow. One of the problems in California is just too many people. But as a third generation native who not only grew up there but heard stories of how my mom grew up there it makes me very sad to see the place crash and burn.

I also have a friend from Romania. She is almost finished with nursing school, top grades. She's applying for jobs here. She will have to jump through the hoops and all to get a visa. We need nurses and she will be a valuable addition to our society. What is fair to her or others like her that someone can hike across the border and claim they have a right to stay.

I think especially for long term residents of California you will find a lot of "racism" against hispanics, especially venum against illegals. I've lived where the neighborhood was totally taken over by hispanic families. Cars sitting in lawns, roving gangs of boys who stood in front of your car and wouldn't let you drive down the road. My son was ignored by many of the kids. I don't like that I have that kind of feelings for anyone but they are there. It is not out of meanness, but out of experience. What do you feel when someone your talking with switches from English to Spanish mid sentence when a hispanic person comes up and you become invisible?

In that neighborhood not only did the non hispanic families move, but the established hispanic families who didn't like what they saw go too. Instant ghetto.

I actually look forward to when the last of family leave California and I have no reason to ever go there again. And I'm all for people thinking states like OK and Arkansas are full of poor hicks. Image is everything and sometimes it bites back.

[Cali BassMan]

OK Back to California's problem's vs Arkansas Charm.....Like some of the other poster's I am a born and bread Californian, My Father was from Arkansas and my Mother From Missouri...
Weather California wins hands down,
everything else Arkansas wins.. except for maybe jobs... I have a good job , have had it a long time , So maybe the current market sucks, I don't know...

Here's a little story, Last June we are in Bella Vista, my wife and I go for a walk in the park along the river. We are just kind strolling watching the lightening bugs, when I feel my wife's grip on my arm get harder. Coming down the path are two older teenage boys, maybe early 20's even. Instingtivley I'm getting between my wife and these guys, I'm ready to cold **** the first one to do anything, well these young men say to us " good evening Maam, Sir, Nice night for a walk isn't it. Ya'll be carefull the trail's flooded down there aways"
I was kinda left speechless, here they either don't make eye contact or they jump us.....
So tell me why would I want to grow old in California again???

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Kraken

CESpeed, you just nailed something that most people who have never lived in California don't really understand.

Most people in Arkansas who are thinking that those "poor illegals just want to make a better life for their children" don't understand that the illegals who come in and leech the system know full-well what kind of free services they can get before they ever arrive and that MANY of them are tied to huge drug cartels or have a history of violent crimes or theft.

There are huge articles in Mexican newspapers and being distributed through La Raza that TELL illegal aliens how to get the free services and what the best areas are for free services.

These are NOT people who are interested in going through the proper LEGAL channels. These are people who think that making a better life for themselves must come at the expense of tax-paying Americans.

Unfortunately, the Liberals (and I am a Liberal so this isnt a political thing for me) who want illegal immigrants to be given a fast track "free cut in line" are not aware of how illegal immigration has BANKRUPTED and DEVASTATED states like California (which now has a $21 BILLION deficit due mostly to illegal immigrants and the leeching of the public systems)

OK:

Let me pop in here real quick. I live in Arizona but spent 10 years in California (1978-89)-----------long story short; I have seen that state deteriorate for many reasons. Note that I left there prior to those criminal hordes from Mexico, etc. descending on it.

Bottom line: I too side with Kraken and CESpeed here.

Call me racist: frankly I don't give a damn anymore. Quite a few Mestizo Latinos here legally want the (mostly) Mestizo illegals OUT as well so that race card does not apply.

PS: I am/was a Liberal at one time as well.................

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by nightbird47

I'm a third generation California native and have lived all over socal, and moved away (ie, escaped) last year to Oklahoma. I go back on Thanksgiving to spend time with the family, thought this year will spend the extra time visiting a friend in Arizona so I can get out of there faster.

One of the things I like very much about this state is the law about illegal immigrants. When it was passed the percentage of hispanic residents dropped by 2 percent. As others have said, you don't hear good things about states like OK and Arkansas. Which is fine with me.

I see these posts from people on the California forum from people who can't wait to move to sunny California. (choke, wheeze) Image is everything. Then you see posts from people who came and can't wait to leave. I encourage them. Especially with the new disastor which will bring more threats and bribery from Sacramento, it just isn't a time to be going there. Even the illegals are leaving.

The first thing I noticed about this area is the space. Lots of open land between places. A two lane road between Tulsa and OKC. Wow. One of the problems in California is just too many people. But as a third generation native who not only grew up there but heard stories of how my mom grew up there it makes me very sad to see the place crash and burn.

I also have a friend from Romania. She is almost finished with nursing school, top grades. She's applying for jobs here. She will have to jump through the hoops and all to get a visa. We need nurses and she will be a valuable addition to our society. What is fair to her or others like her that someone can hike across the border and claim they have a right to stay.

I think especially for long term residents of California you will find a lot of "racism" against hispanics, especially venum against illegals. I've lived where the neighborhood was totally taken over by hispanic families. Cars sitting in lawns, roving gangs of boys who stood in front of your car and wouldn't let you drive down the road. My son was ignored by many of the kids. I don't like that I have that kind of feelings for anyone but they are there. It is not out of meanness, but out of experience. What do you feel when someone your talking with switches from English to Spanish mid sentence when a hispanic person comes up and you become invisible?

In that neighborhood not only did the non hispanic families move, but the established hispanic families who didn't like what they saw go too. Instant ghetto.

I actually look forward to when the last of family leave California and I have no reason to ever go there again. And I'm all for people thinking states like OK and Arkansas are full of poor hicks. Image is everything and sometimes it bites back.

Amazing how 70 years reverses the perceptions of Ok/Az vs. California?

Anymore: California is essentially the (cultural) Dust Bowl whereas you guys are now the Promised Land.

[HANNU]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Anymore: California is essentially the (cultural) Dust Bowl whereas you guys are now the Promised Land.

Yeah but the thing is, crap travels, and the Promised Land looks like an inviting target. I moved a few times when things got rough in other States, and I'm tired of moving. I want to live in a place where people have similar principles i.e. work for a living and live in a law abiding manner. No sucking the system dry, no gangs, no intimidation, no fear ........

The hope is that I can find a place where a stand will be made; where other like-minded individuals will say "enough is enough".

[pau]

didn't tyson close down??

Originally Posted by Kraken

Ha! No way, I'm actually a Democrat and bleeding-heart liberal who used to think that illegal immigrants should all just be legalized until I saw what they do to a social system and the culture that they move into.

I cringe when I think of the Northwest Arkansas region and the potential for the illegals working for Tyson there to devastate an area that I think it so beautiful.

[bchris02]

Originally Posted by Cali BassMan

OK Back to California's problem's vs Arkansas Charm.....Like some of the other poster's I am a born and bread Californian, My Father was from Arkansas and my Mother From Missouri...
Weather California wins hands down,
everything else Arkansas wins.. except for maybe jobs... I have a good job , have had it a long time , So maybe the current market sucks, I don't know...

Here's a little story, Last June we are in Bella Vista, my wife and I go for a walk in the park along the river. We are just kind strolling watching the lightening bugs, when I feel my wife's grip on my arm get harder. Coming down the path are two older teenage boys, maybe early 20's even. Instingtivley I'm getting between my wife and these guys, I'm ready to cold **** the first one to do anything, well these young men say to us " good evening Maam, Sir, Nice night for a walk isn't it. Ya'll be carefull the trail's flooded down there aways"
I was kinda left speechless, here they either don't make eye contact or they jump us.....
So tell me why would I want to grow old in California again???

Hmm I could live in a place that has culture, nightlife, beaches, diversity, tolerance, events, and so on and so on, or I could live in a place still stuck in 1955 where you are an oddball if you are 23, out of college, and not married or engaged, and with absolutely nothing to do other than to to church or the "deer woods". I would move to California in a heartbeat if the opportunity presented itself.

[CESpeed]

Originally Posted by bchris02

Hmm I could live in a place that has culture, nightlife, beaches, diversity, tolerance, events, and so on and so on, or I could live in a place still stuck in 1955 where you are an oddball if you are 23, out of college, and not married or engaged, and with absolutely nothing to do other than to to church or the "deer woods". I would move to California in a heartbeat if the opportunity presented itself.

And you would get eaten alive. The idea of California and the reality are two different things which is what the OP and I are trying to convey. Yes California has things to do but it gets old after a while. If you can even afford to do them. Most people who live in California are struggling to make ends meet. You can't go out and party if you can't pay the rent or you are trying to make the one week's worth of food stretch to two weeks.

Tolerance? Are you kidding? California is not tolerant; everyone lives in pockets. Yes it's diverse but each group has it's own clique. You may THINK you are being accepted, but you aren't really. People here smile in your face and back you in the back without a second thought. btw Los Angeles, California is the shallow capital of the world.

Now if you are a shallow, egocentric, materialistic person, California will suit you just fine.

[Sneezyone]

You're kidding right? That same shallow, egocentric, materialistic person will fit in just fine in Chenal. Superficiality knows no boundaries. Here, you just cloak in Christianity instead of celebrity.