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Old 01-04-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I just don't understand what all the fear of government run health care was all about. My wife and I have been on Medicare and Tricare for Life (both government run programs) for a very long time and have had absolutely no problems. On the other hand, both of our adult kids are on private insurance and do have problems including being told which doctors they can go to. I just don't get it.
It varies.

For every person that says they have great experiences, there are others claiming Medicaid, Tricare, or Medicare is horrible.
One state might have a great Medicaid system and others may not.

I can see any doctor I want with my private insurance BUT whether or not insurance will pay for those visits is another issue altogether. Thankfully I don't go to the doctor a lot but a lot of times I avoid going to the doctor because of the cost. Many people are doing the same thing:http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7891.pdf

I think a lot of people unfortunately believe the right-wing lie that if we have universal health care provided by the government, there will be death panels or the government will try to get between us and our doctor. As many places have proved, there won't be death panels and no industrialized country with universal health care has death panels.

With a bill that was in Congress to establish a single-payer system, the writers and supporters of the bills said medical decisions will be between doctors and patients, as they should be. Even with private insurance the medical decisions aren't between doctors and patients. The doctor is aware of what his or her limits are with a certain health insurance provider and so is the patient. They know if they get sick, they could very well lose their health insurance by way of rescission or a very big premium increase.

If more people would do their research, we'd have a lot less misinformation out there. Whether you're left-wing, right-wing, or somewhere in the middle, you should definitely read: Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care (9781594202346): T. R. Reid: Books

The author talks about how other countries managed to provide universal health care at a fraction of the cost. We can learn a lot from these countries.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I dont live in AR, but this thread caught my eye and those reasons and more or why I chose not to finish nursing school. I sure as hell didnt want to put up with crap like that. People think so little of nurses in this country.
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Old 01-04-2010, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Conservative Las Vegas
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I think you made a wise choice.

In Nursing, you can many different "bosses", your patients.

All it takes is for a patient who dislikes you, wants to exert some power over you, is just plain mean and nasty, to make your life difficult.

Any of them could accuse you of making some kind of sexual advance towards them. No witnesses, just you and the patient.

Who are they going to believe?

I've seen this happen at my own facility. Even happened to one of our Director of Nurses, if you can believe that!

Automatic suspension!

Or, a patient claimed you spoke rudely to them, didn't do this, didn't do that, whatever, even though they're lying, who are they going to believe?

My 8 hour shift every night, I compare to walking on eggs, every single minute.

And even on my days off, I stress out that the Administrator is going to call me anytime about some alledged complaint from a patient.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:01 AM
 
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Most new grads in our area aren't finding jobs. When I graduated almost 20 years ago, I had my pick of which hospital in town to go to work for, and they were all offering sign-on bonuses. Times have sure changed!

The VA is looking for RN's nation wide, they are even running ads on television. I've seen the ad twice in the last week..
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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I just don't understand what all the fear of government run health care was all about. My wife and I have been on Medicare and Tricare for Life (both government run programs) for a very long time and have had absolutely no problems. On the other hand, both of our adult kids are on private insurance and do have problems including being told which doctors they can go to. I just don't get it.
They probably have an HMO. They need a PPO.
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Old 01-05-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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That's the American health-care system for ya: profits first, patients second.
Uh.......it's a "business", not a charity.

Every hospital has a plethora of patients that go to their emergency rooms for treatment for minor issues because thye know they won't be turned away from the ER and..."I ain't got no money".

They've got to make that up.

Sharp county lost their hospital near Cherokee Village because it was not profitable.

I would be very interested in knowing how a single payer health plan would solve the nursing problem and allow hospitals to run "non-profit" whilst paying the numerous salaries, supply costs, building maintenance, etc.

So.....everybody's allowed to make money, *except* the hospital?
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Old 01-05-2010, 08:54 AM
 
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We can learn a lot from these countries.
You betcha.

How to have a totally different governmental system for a start. That's a simple enough start. Lets just tell the government to go home and we'll start over.

As my son has lived for some time, and still does, in one of those "utopia" countries where the government provides the health care, one may wish to talk with someone that uses the system to find out about thewaiting lists to se a Dr., the Drs. not being able to prescribe a wide range of drugs because "It's not on the list", and the number of things that are excluded from coverage.

Want assistance on those mental health counseling visits?

Too bad.

A transplant?

Good luck.

Acne?

That's not a condition that can be life threatning nor disableing.

Slim says he has had no problems with medicare, and I'm happy for him, he's a lucky man.

While one is reading this 'n' that, maybe check on the level of medicare fraud.

Unbelievable.

We have to pay for that in our taxes.

I have an internist as a primary care physician, and I also deal with a dermatologist, ENT, and a top surgeon.

Not a single one of them takes medicare patients, and they're far from being alone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients - Bloomberg.com

There's the model for a government run health plan.
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Old 01-05-2010, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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You betcha.

How to have a totally different governmental system for a start. That's a simple enough start. Lets just tell the government to go home and we'll start over.

As my son has lived for some time, and still does, in one of those "utopia" countries where the government provides the health care, one may wish to talk with someone that uses the system to find out about thewaiting lists to se a Dr., the Drs. not being able to prescribe a wide range of drugs because "It's not on the list", and the number of things that are excluded from coverage.

Want assistance on those mental health counseling visits?

Too bad.

A transplant?

Good luck.

Acne?

That's not a condition that can be life threatning nor disableing.

Slim says he has had no problems with medicare, and I'm happy for him, he's a lucky man.

While one is reading this 'n' that, maybe check on the level of medicare fraud.

Unbelievable.

We have to pay for that in our taxes.

I have an internist as a primary care physician, and I also deal with a dermatologist, ENT, and a top surgeon.

Not a single one of them takes medicare patients, and they're far from being alone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

Mayo Clinic in Arizona to Stop Treating Some Medicare Patients - Bloomberg.com

There's the model for a government run health plan.
RogMar, I was going to give the Mayo clinic example as to what is going to happen in the future. We feel lucky because our primary care doctor happens to speicalize in geriatrics so we are pretty safe for now.

As for other countries, yes, if people are honest many will say the system doesn't work all that well. Our daughter lived in Poland for 2 years. Normally she would wait til she had a business trip back to America to see a doctor because of their system. We have friends in Canada who say, it doesn't work the way some claim it does and our priest and good friend in NM is from England. She still has family there. Boy, can she tell you some stories...I knew a doctor that left England and moved to Canada just because of the UK health plan. He wasn't happy with the Canadian one either, but it was a little better. Most of those who are happy with government run care are those who want something for little or nothing and don't realize we all pay one way or the other.

Nita
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Old 01-05-2010, 10:17 AM
 
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RogMar, I was going to give the Mayo clinic example as to what is going to happen in the future. We feel lucky because our primary care doctor happens to speicalize in geriatrics so we are pretty safe for now.

As for other countries, yes, if people are honest many will say the system doesn't work all that well. Our daughter lived in Poland for 2 years. Normally she would wait til she had a business trip back to America to see a doctor because of their system. We have friends in Canada who say, it doesn't work the way some claim it does and our priest and good friend in NM is from England. She still has family there. Boy, can she tell you some stories...I knew a doctor that left England and moved to Canada just because of the UK health plan. He wasn't happy with the Canadian one either, but it was a little better. Most of those who are happy with government run care are those who want something for little or nothing and don't realize we all pay one way or the other.

Nita
I hear ya, Nita.

My son has lived in london for some time, and travels for business throughout Europe and Eastern Europe. He has gained a whole new appreciation for many U.S. models since moving, health care being very high on the list. As a matter of fact, low on his list, but still present, is the fact that he has to pay $300 a year tax on each of his televisions, just for owning them, so health care system is way over that.

I know there are probably working, independant adults out there that would like a single payer health plan, but I haven't met them yet. A lot of support from the idealistic high school kids and live-at-homes that I've had contact with around here, though.

This reminds me a lot of when I was in high school (yes, *after* electricity), and there was this huge movement to have a "socialist" government. SDS and other groups touting how the "establishment" was holding us down.

Groovy, man.

Not sure what part of the service or college I *became* the establishment.

My only wish list is that insurance companies would be able to do business across state lines and compete.

Recently I read a report that stated that only two insurance companies hold around 87% of all insurance policies in Arkansas.

Been no drive for competition between the companies, has there?

This health bill is going to be the greatest thing that ever happened to people holding insurance stock, but the premium payers are going to be in tears.

The insurance companies are going to get their money, and guess from where. It's not going to be that chain smoking COPD patient with HBP and diabetes who averages $15,000 a year in treatment and is scaled to pay $100 a month for their insurance.
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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RogMar, I was going to give the Mayo clinic example as to what is going to happen in the future. We feel lucky because our primary care doctor happens to speicalize in geriatrics so we are pretty safe for now.

As for other countries, yes, if people are honest many will say the system doesn't work all that well. Our daughter lived in Poland for 2 years. Normally she would wait til she had a business trip back to America to see a doctor because of their system. We have friends in Canada who say, it doesn't work the way some claim it does and our priest and good friend in NM is from England. She still has family there. Boy, can she tell you some stories...I knew a doctor that left England and moved to Canada just because of the UK health plan. He wasn't happy with the Canadian one either, but it was a little better. Most of those who are happy with government run care are those who want something for little or nothing and don't realize we all pay one way or the other.

Nita
If the Canadian system is so bad and if the U.K. system is so bad, the people would demand a different system.
The majority of citizens in Canada and the U.K. like their system and wouldn't want a "system" like the U.S. where profits come first and patients second.
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