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Old 09-07-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Here's some photos of Tehran. Turn your speakers on.

YouTube - Images of Iran
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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Here's some photos of Tehran. Turn your speakers on.

YouTube - Images of Iran
Those are really nice pictures, but I'm a little confused over the "500,000 deaths due to the war" quote.
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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Iran lost atleast half a million people during its war with Iraq...If you read up on it you will see that some of our leaders were in bed with Saddam Hussein back then, and helped him in his war against Iran by giving them military intel. Donald Rumsfield was one of the main people who trumpeted us invading Iraq with the WMD claim, but he was Saddam's best friend during that war [can you say Hypocrite?]. So its no surprise that that war isnt talked about much by Washington or in the media, it doesnt look to good for Washington in hindsight and explains to a degree why the Iranian government does not trust the US.

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Old 09-07-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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Oh, they are referring to the Iran-Iraq war. I thought it was some reference to the current conflict (oops, not any more, right? ), which is why it made no sense to me. It's worded strangely on the slideshow. But to be fair, the Iranian gov't is no bunch of saints. You would be surprised at what they are currently involved in in Iraq. But let's not go there in this thread!!

Anyway, nice pics!
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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Iran lost atleast half a million people during its war with Iraq...If you read up on it you will see that some of our leaders were in bed with Saddam Hussein back then, and helped him in his war against Iran by giving them military intel. Donald Rumsfield was one of the main people who trumpeted us invading Iraq with the WMD claim, but he was Saddam's best friend during that war [can you say Hypocrite?]. So its no surprise that that war isnt talked about much by Washington or in the media, it doesnt look to good for Washington in hindsight and explains to a degree why the Iranian government does not trust the US.
Well ahem, as I recall the Iranians broke all diplomatic protocols and ransacked our embassy and took almost 60 people hostage for over a year. Not to mention being behind the Beirut bombing that killed 241 marines and other terror groups and acts resulting in many deaths of civilians to this day. To me all this stuff about them not trusting us, well once they stop funding terrorist groups that whack civilians then we will talk.

I think you'll find that it was France and Russia supplying Saddam with most of his war munitions and the fact we passed on some intel, well big deal, as Iran was an enemy at the time.

Iran has some beautiful spots and some nice people but if you are an American citizen I wouldn't be traveling there now.
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:09 PM
 
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Ive been there once for a short time, Tehran and perhaps some areas of Egypt [Coptic Christian areas] i feel relatively safe at. Not counting the media and its hate spinning of Iran...You dont hear of kidnappings there at all. Some of it may come down to the fact that a decent number of Iranians can pass as Europeans by looks so its possible to blend in in some areas there [if you are white]. Not sticking out is the key. Southern Iran is supposed to be very scenic, but I never went there and Id only go with an escort since you are going out into the sticks where the Iranian version of Hillbillies live [which is probably not a good idea to do alone].
I have noticed some european-looking Iranians, for sure. Actually I have met many Iranians abroad, and they often tell people they are Italian...and can easily pass for one! Plus I noticed Iranians have a really good sense of fashion.

I am curious though...a person like me, with blond hair/blue eyes...would I still be able to pass as a potential Iranian if I wore what Iranians wore in Tehran? Or would it be obvious that I was a bit of the obvious non-Iranian look with my stronger northern european features?
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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If you dressed like a Iranian you would probably be ok. In the far northwest there are alot of blonde/blue eyed people but overall they were not common when I was in Tehran. So you would probably stick out some, but not a whole lot since there are some blonde Iranians about. You could always say you are a Albanian or Bosnian Muslim if someone questions you on where you are from [and gives bad vibes]. Hearing that you are Muslim even if you are not tends to break the ice with many people in religious countries like that. And Albania/Bosnia are known Muslim strongholds in Europe so its believable.
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Old 09-09-2010, 06:51 PM
 
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Iran lost atleast half a million people during its war with Iraq...If you read up on it you will see that some of our leaders were in bed with Saddam Hussein back then, and helped him in his war against Iran by giving them military intel. Donald Rumsfield was one of the main people who trumpeted us invading Iraq with the WMD claim, but he was Saddam's best friend during that war [can you say Hypocrite?]. So its no surprise that that war isnt talked about much by Washington or in the media, it doesnt look to good for Washington in hindsight and explains to a degree why the Iranian government does not trust the US.
We provided Iraq with bombs, as well. There are real reasons why some individuals in some countries do not like Americans. Their only connection to us might be that we helped kill their families. This is the kind of history that helped Bin Laden gain followers.
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Old 09-09-2010, 06:52 PM
 
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If you dressed like a Iranian you would probably be ok. In the far northwest there are alot of blonde/blue eyed people but overall they were not common when I was in Tehran. So you would probably stick out some, but not a whole lot since there are some blonde Iranians about. You could always say you are a Albanian or Bosnian Muslim if someone questions you on where you are from [and gives bad vibes]. Hearing that you are Muslim even if you are not tends to break the ice with many people in religious countries like that. And Albania/Bosnia are known Muslim strongholds in Europe so its believable.
Interesting information. I've known Iranians in the United States, but most of them came here at the time of the revolution.
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Old 09-09-2010, 07:05 PM
 
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Well ahem, as I recall the Iranians broke all diplomatic protocols and ransacked our embassy and took almost 60 people hostage for over a year. Not to mention being behind the Beirut bombing that killed 241 marines and other terror groups and acts resulting in many deaths of civilians to this day. To me all this stuff about them not trusting us, well once they stop funding terrorist groups that whack civilians then we will talk.

I think you'll find that it was France and Russia supplying Saddam with most of his war munitions and the fact we passed on some intel, well big deal, as Iran was an enemy at the time.

Iran has some beautiful spots and some nice people but if you are an American citizen I wouldn't be traveling there now.
This shouldn't turn into a political or history thread, but the hostage crisis came during the Islamic Revolution that overthrew the Shah. And the Shah was the Shah because after a government elected by the Iranians came into power in 1953, the United States and the UK overthrew the government the people of Iran wanted and reinstalled the Shah. He was a brutal dictator who tortured and killed people who resisted his rule for the next 25 years.

The terrorist groups were born as a result of that. Put yourself in their place. How would you as an Iranian have felt about the United States?
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