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Old 09-23-2010, 04:16 PM
 
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Is there a direct link with the economic development of southeast Asian countries and the percentage of the countries population that is ethnic Chinese?

I don't meant to offend anyone from those countries that are not ethnic Chinese, but when you look at the statistics, it just seems that those countries that have more ethnic Chinese should feel lucky.

I know that they have been discriminated against because of their success, but you can't deny the positive influence of their merchant class values.

Singapore: economy on par with Japan, western Europe, US, etc. 75% ethnic Chinese.

Malaysia: a distant 2nd., but stands out from other SE Asian countries economically. 25% Chinese.

Thailand: 3rd most economically developed: 10-15 Chinese.

Philipines, Indonesia, and Vietnam come next: a distant 4th, 5th, and 6th

Then Myanmar, Cambodia, and Laos, which have economies/lifestyles more similar to sub-Saharan Africa. I believe these countries have the fewest Chinese.

What do you think?
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Old 09-23-2010, 04:28 PM
 
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I see a link. There are more links than that in the world though, Japanese tend to also cluster together and boost economies. So do Europeans. Infact most first world nations have a European-descended majority population, and Chinese/Koreans/Japanese tend to do the same when they make up a large percent of a nation's population [that is, move that nation towards First world status].
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Old 09-23-2010, 05:54 PM
 
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It may be more worth while to research in to which countries are the biggest investors in the various SEA countries in the last decades to date.
It is the ability of the governments to attract foreign investments that boosts their economies.

Where do you get the statistics for Thailand at 10-15%?
I was told that it was impossible to tell because the ethnic Chinese in Thailand changed their names and buried their root.
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:13 PM
 
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One thing that singapopre and Malaysia have in common that the rest of south east asia does not is that both were under British Rule for an extended period of time.

No doubt the brits would have poured lots of money into them, promoted trade to develope a british stronghold in the reigon, and developed western style economics into their societies much ealier than their neighbours. I think that has a lot more to do with their economic prosperity than the ethnic make up of the population.

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Old 09-23-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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ethic is part of the reason, if China is not socialism, it may be on par with Japan
ppl can create but unfortunately can never change history sigh~~~~~~~~
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Old 09-23-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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I've always felt that the Chinese were kind of the 'Jewish' of the Asian world. They generally network real strongly and work very hard at their businesses. A very STRONG business sense as well. Plus they all kinds of international connections because of their ethnicities with other countries in the region - even better for business.

When Indonesia was doing their 'ethnic cleansing' of Chinese...a lot of it was because they felt that the Chinese had all the wealth. When the Chinese-Indonesians fled Indonesia...the wealth actually did dry up, and the country was much worse off because of it.

I went to Bandung about 10 years after...and was surprised how the citizens just left most of the chinese businesses still charred sitting there...hadn't even cleaned them up.

So, I think also while the Chinese businesses DO profit....and do add more wealth to the SE nation...I wouldn't always say that it spreads around to everyone, as there certainly seems to be some resentment by the non-chinese in whichever country they are residing in.
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Old 09-24-2010, 07:10 AM
 
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One thing that singapopre and Malaysia have in common that the rest of south east asia does not is that both were under British Rule for an extended period of time.

No doubt the brits would have poured lots of money into them, promoted trade to develope a british stronghold in the reigon, and developed western style economics into their societies much ealier than their neighbours. I think that has a lot more to do with their economic prosperity than the ethnic make up of the population.
That maybe a part of it, no doubt, but Thailand, with has done better than most other mainland SE nations was never colonized.

And how do you explain Myanmar (Burma!!) They were a British colony too and look at that mess.
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Old 09-24-2010, 08:13 AM
 
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Is there a direct link with the economic development of southeast Asian countries and the percentage of the countries population that is ethnic Chinese?

I don't meant to offend anyone from those countries that are not ethnic Chinese, but when you look at the statistics, it just seems that those countries that have more ethnic Chinese should feel lucky.

I know that they have been discriminated against because of their success, but you can't deny the positive influence of their merchant class values.

Singapore: economy on par with Japan, western Europe, US, etc. 75% ethnic Chinese.

Malaysia: a distant 2nd., but stands out from other SE Asian countries economically. 25% Chinese.

Thailand: 3rd most economically developed: 10-15 Chinese.

Philipines, Indonesia, and Vietnam come next: a distant 4th, 5th, and 6th

Then Myanmar, Cambodia, and Laos, which have economies/lifestyles more similar to sub-Saharan Africa. I believe these countries have the fewest Chinese.

What do you think?
They all look about the same. I only recognize Japanese because they seem to be taller, paler, and always carry a technology gadget with them.

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Old 09-24-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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ethic is part of the reason, if China is not socialism, it may be on par with Japan
ppl can create but unfortunately can never change history sigh~~~~~~~~
China is doing very well under its Socialist government, its very debatable if China would be better off today if they were a Democracy from the start [under Mao]. The main advantage that I see for China and its ability to dictate to its citizens is the one child law. Without that law [under a Democracy that law would never have happened] China's population today could very likely be 2 Billion people or more instead of the 1.3 Billion its at today.

That would mean far more people who are starving, far more people who would need to have homes built for them [land is already scarce in China], and more jobs would be needed to employ them. Thats not counting the pressure on the eco-system either, its massive today as it is but with 400-700 million more people it would be far worse.

For a country as densely populated as China is, dictating family size is a god-send imo. Its controversial and I know not everyone will agree with me. But the sheer size of the Chinese population itself is a bonus to China today since it has stabilzed but if it continued to sky rocket its a huge problem that doesnt always fix itself.
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Old 09-24-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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China could never be a democracy and have elections every 4 years. Just imagine 800 million adult chinese people voting. Lol. They are good as they are. They have 1 ruler (Stability). No changing governments every 4 years. What a headache would that be for 1.2 billion people changing goverments with different ideologies every 4 years. China is capitalistic, in their economy, that's enough. Their GDP is growing like 14% Per. Year. (Super fast).
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